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Ken Burch

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12. Kinnock lost that election largely on personal unpopularity.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 06:22 AM
Jun 2016

Last edited Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:41 AM - Edit history (1)

His aggressive efforts to push Labour further right after 1987 probably lost him as many votes as it gained.

In most countries, people don't trust politicians who give up that many core values in that short a time.

(And though it had next to nothing to do with the subject of this thread, it's Kinnock's fault that Liverpool and many other Labour strongholds haven't had recognisably Labour policies in local governance since the mid-Eighties. If you insist that only "moderates" can lead Labour authorities and that all of them must be totally subservient to whatever Westminster, your going to end up with "Labour" local councils being indistinguishable nearly indistinguishable from Tory councils.)

Winning elections didn't make me dislike Blair T_i_B May 2016 #1
I voted for Blair as Labour leader. Bad Dog May 2016 #2
If they go with that slogan, I might fly to the UK and campaign for Labour myself. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #6
It would set a nice precedent. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #8
Living in the North East, I heard Blair speak on numerous occasions before he was Leader ... non sociopath skin Jun 2016 #9
Neither Foot nor Kinnock made any impact on the electorate. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #10
It's not as though any Labour leader could have ousted Thatcher. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #13
Sounds like you don't want a Labour government of any complexion. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #15
I want a Labour government that doesn't treat Labour values as an embarrassment. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #19
I didn't vote for Corbyn. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #22
I'm glad you're willing to give Corbyn a chance now. And I don't TOTALLY disagree with you. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #23
I was prepared to give Corbyn a chance from the off. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #24
I have no sympathy for Blairism, but you may not realize quite how much damage Thatcherism did LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #20
Thatcher was horrific. Absolutely. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #21
Teflon Tony JawJaw May 2016 #3
Dangerous people, pacifist socialists. non sociopath skin May 2016 #4
No one's safe from not being killed by them. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #5
Labour never needed Blairism to win. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #7
Even without having the Murdoch press onside? Bad Dog Jun 2016 #11
Kinnock lost that election largely on personal unpopularity. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #12
I've not insisted on anything. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #14
Labour needs teamwork and competence to win T_i_B Jun 2016 #16
They do need teamwork and competence. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #17
It appears that Corbyn & Co aren't exactly blameless in this regard either T_i_B Jun 2016 #18
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