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T_i_B

(14,736 posts)
9. Wrong
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 04:40 AM
Jun 2016

The EU has also done a huge amount for the enviroment, and a lot for workers rights. The European Single market is vital for the sort of blue collar jobs that the UK in general, and Labour inparticular needs. Labopur was created to serve the working man, and we cannot do that if we cut off access to the trade and investment that we need to create employment.

Corbyn was neither convincing or persuasive in this referendum. He's done more to lose supporters than gain anything. This isn't a matter of right v left. It's a matter of unity and competence, neither of which can be provided by Jeremy Corbyn.

I should also say at this point that I don't think David Cameron also did a poor job during the referendum as he was more interested in holding his party together than doing what's right for the country. The Tory "remain" campaign was largely invisible, and the Tories local to me all went en masse for "Vote Leave". Given how flagrantly dishonest the leave campaign was that is very poor indeed.

Scottish independence is a given if they secede, no? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #1
EU withdrawal does make a second Scottish referendum a much greater possibility. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #2
They can't hav a snap election without Labour wanting it muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #3
... Ironing Man Jun 2016 #4
Best thing Corbyn can do is resign T_i_B Jun 2016 #5
Well, unenthusiastic support of the EU was probably the only decent position. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #8
Wrong T_i_B Jun 2016 #9
There was no way to campaign passionately for Remain Ken Burch Jun 2016 #23
As somebody who actually did campaign for remain T_i_B Jun 2016 #24
Corbyn's problem in campaigning on this Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #10
To be honest, nothing is going to be anyone's 'sole responsibility'. Except maybe the RW media's. LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #6
I agree that this involves far more than internal party politics. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #7
The leadership challenge suggests that something good may come of it. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #11
People seem to have forgotten that the next major act in the political circus Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #13
Perhaps that is why the Blairites are so obsessed with getting rid of Cornbyn now. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #21
Something similar had occurred to me since I wrote that. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #22
Yvette Cooper could never be a left-wing prime minister Ken Burch Jun 2016 #14
In no sense of the word could Corbyn have been said to have campaigned well. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #12
And replace him with a leader who stands for nothing. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #15
Yes, one could tell the difference LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #16
It would reduce a lot of the suspicion and trust about the anti-Corbynites Ken Burch Jun 2016 #17
Hopefully Corbyn is gone by next week and replaced with a leader who can campaign credibly Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #18
Agree 100% T_i_B Jun 2016 #19
The problem is, the two people most talked about as anti-Corbyn leadership candidates Ken Burch Jun 2016 #20
Utter rubbish T_i_B Jun 2016 #25
If those people had any strong principles, the rebels wouldn't want them. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #26
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