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Ken Burch

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20. The problem is, the two people most talked about as anti-Corbyn leadership candidates
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 09:01 PM
Jun 2016

are Angela Eagle and Tom Watson, are reactionaries who don't disagree with Cameron on any major issues at all.

Either of them, as leader, would pull the party to the right of Tony Blair.

Neither would deviate from the Tory/Euston Station ultra-militarist line on foreign policy.

Both wanted Labour to support the benefits cap and the budget charter(which would mean agreeing not to be to the left of the Tories on domestic policy in any meaningful way). This means neither of them cares about the poor.

Both want Labour to keep Thatcher's anti-worker laws in place. This means they can propose nothing that could ever protect the rights of working people.

Both back neoliberalism, market values and austerity, which makes it impossible for either to propose any policies which would win back former Labour voters in the North of England.

Both oppose restoring internal party democracy, which means Labour could never again win the votes of activists and idealists if either was chosen leader.

There is simply nothing at all appealing in either one of those people.

Scottish independence is a given if they secede, no? nt geek tragedy Jun 2016 #1
EU withdrawal does make a second Scottish referendum a much greater possibility. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #2
They can't hav a snap election without Labour wanting it muriel_volestrangler Jun 2016 #3
... Ironing Man Jun 2016 #4
Best thing Corbyn can do is resign T_i_B Jun 2016 #5
Well, unenthusiastic support of the EU was probably the only decent position. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #8
Wrong T_i_B Jun 2016 #9
There was no way to campaign passionately for Remain Ken Burch Jun 2016 #23
As somebody who actually did campaign for remain T_i_B Jun 2016 #24
Corbyn's problem in campaigning on this Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #10
To be honest, nothing is going to be anyone's 'sole responsibility'. Except maybe the RW media's. LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #6
I agree that this involves far more than internal party politics. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #7
The leadership challenge suggests that something good may come of it. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #11
People seem to have forgotten that the next major act in the political circus Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #13
Perhaps that is why the Blairites are so obsessed with getting rid of Cornbyn now. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #21
Something similar had occurred to me since I wrote that. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #22
Yvette Cooper could never be a left-wing prime minister Ken Burch Jun 2016 #14
In no sense of the word could Corbyn have been said to have campaigned well. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #12
And replace him with a leader who stands for nothing. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #15
Yes, one could tell the difference LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #16
It would reduce a lot of the suspicion and trust about the anti-Corbynites Ken Burch Jun 2016 #17
Hopefully Corbyn is gone by next week and replaced with a leader who can campaign credibly Spider Jerusalem Jun 2016 #18
Agree 100% T_i_B Jun 2016 #19
The problem is, the two people most talked about as anti-Corbyn leadership candidates Ken Burch Jun 2016 #20
Utter rubbish T_i_B Jun 2016 #25
If those people had any strong principles, the rebels wouldn't want them. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #26
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