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LeftishBrit

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1. To preface this: I think the rebels are doing the wrong thing, and fiddling while Rome burns
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 01:32 AM
Jun 2016

This is not the time for interparty fighting.

But:

(1) Most of the rebels (at least, those who were in Corbyn's cabinet to start with) were not doing so on left-right grounds, but because they felt that he was not an effective leader against Brexit, and might thus also not be a generally effective leader against the Tories. Whether this is true or not, they are making their party still less effective against the Tories, by the infighting.

(2) There are reasons for voting Labour, even if it's imperfect, against the real right wing. There are reasons for voting for a dead rat or a block of wood against the right wing! There might have been room for arguing about whether a right-wing Labourite differed much from Cameron , though I'd say that in the vast majority of cases they did; but all Labourites, and many non-Labourites, differ significantly from the people likely to gain power now. People who are likely to lead us into economic disaster at best, encourage a form of fascism at worst. Corbynites and rebels alike need to remember that we are all up against people who are truly dangerous; who are for example not just insufficiently caring about the poor and workers, but waging active war against them.

To preface this: I think the rebels are doing the wrong thing, and fiddling while Rome burns LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #1
Trying to understand what's going on. Matilda Jun 2016 #2
A tiny handful aren't, but the overwhelmingly majority are. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #3
It's a bit surreal. Matilda Jun 2016 #4
No, absolutely not. The rebels are about 70% of the PLP, from across the left wing of the spectrum. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #8
If they succeed, there will be no left-of-center proposals in the next Labour manifesto. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #15
Is Corbyn a good leader? Dworkin Jun 2016 #5
I can see where the comparison to Foot could be made RogueTrooper Jun 2016 #20
And I think Corbyn and his team do understand television. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #21
Not particularly IMO; but then neither is anyone likely to replace him LeftishBrit Jul 2016 #22
There are many reasons why Labour imploded in Scotland. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #6
Easy: because practically every word you've written is a black lie. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #7
Dude, shrieking "Lie!" Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #9
A few points in response. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2016 #10
Ok, forgive the bluntness, but if he's a liar!!!!, you're a bullshitter. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #11
Spot on about perception. Dworkin Jun 2016 #13
Blairism was nothing but Tory-lite. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #16
Corbyn wants to win the election just as much as you do. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #17
For some muppet shrieking "Lie" every paragraph, you certainly enjoy telling them ... (n/t) Nihil Jun 2016 #19
OK. It's war. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #12
those numbers... Ironing Man Jun 2016 #14
Well ... Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #18
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