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muriel_volestrangler

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14. It quotes José Manuel Garcia-Margallo from 2012, before the Scottish referendum, let alone
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 03:14 PM
Jul 2016

the EU one. What Rajoy says now is a lot more pertinent than what his foreign minister said 4 years ago, or 2 (if Rajoy goes, so will his foreign minister, of course).

I think it's a fantasy to expect Scottish independence before the UK leaves the EU, or even think it's achievable. Because the Tories don't want it, so they're not going to prioritise it, and it's even more complicated than leaving the EU. There are assets and liabilities to sort out; nationalities to determine; currencies to create, or share; and there's a time limit for leaving the EU, while a break-up of the UK will happen only as fast as the governments can agree to.

Professor Douglas-Scott thinks Scotland could negotiate with EU countries while the UK is negotiating exit; but the EU countries, not just Spain, are already saying they won't do that. Her problem is that they think "internal UK politics are a matter for the UK" and aren't going to start negotiations with one part of the UK while negotiating with the overall government.

They are obviously seeking a face-saving way to renege whatthehey Jul 2016 #1
i don't think so, at least not yet. unblock Jul 2016 #4
What you say there is accurate, Ghost Dog Jul 2016 #8
may needs to determine what scotland needs to get in order to stay in the uk post-brexit. unblock Jul 2016 #2
Northern Ireland is also a factor presumably, TubbersUK Jul 2016 #3
NI is ancestrally connected with Scotland, more than with England, Ghost Dog Jul 2016 #9
Yes, there are strong historial ties. TubbersUK Jul 2016 #11
Sturgeon, the SNP and the team of experts she's assembled have been way ahead of everybody else Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #5
"Our Friends in Europa" leaves out some important information muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #10
"Big deal", indeed! Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #13
It quotes José Manuel Garcia-Margallo from 2012, before the Scottish referendum, let alone muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #14
If we went the Art. 50 route, Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #15
Correct me if I've got it wrong, Matilda Jul 2016 #16
Yes, it is self-serving. That's how governments will be. muriel_volestrangler Jul 2016 #17
That was a theory floated for quite a while, Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #18
Options... to secure Scotland’s relationship with the European Union Ghost Dog Jul 2016 #12
Does that mean the same as 'until hell freezes over'? LeftishBrit Jul 2016 #6
LMAO! n/t Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #7
If England’s out, we’re out too. And extremely pissed off... (Deborah Orr) Ghost Dog Jul 2016 #19
A righteous rant, but I think people are in danger of making too much of May's statement, Denzil_DC Jul 2016 #20
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