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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
7. Thanks for that response.
Mon Aug 22, 2016, 05:12 PM
Aug 2016

To me, the only argument that would work would be if the polling showed that Labour would be at mid-1990's support levels under Smith, as opposed to early 1980's levels under Corbyn.

Funny that NONE of the people the "moderates" said they preferred to Corbyn was ever shown to be dramatically more popular with the wider electorate than Corbyn has been.

And there's also the dilemma that, if Corbyn were to be dumped(especially if he were dumped after the Labour Right forced repeated re-votes)how, then, would whoever was put in in Corbyn's place ever manage to unite the party for victory? How could that person hold the massive number of new people who have joined the party, people Labour cannot win without if it alienates them and drives them away, after a years-long effort based, in large measure, on the idea that these new people are the enemy and that the party needs to kick them to the kerb(did I get the UK spelling right on that last word)?

"Now that you've been taught you're lesson, reminded who your 'betters' are and put in your place, we're simply going to DEMAND your vote, because it's OUR party, not yours" isn't going to be a vote-winning appeal, yet that is clearly what the Hilary Benn/Tom Watson/Angela Eagle crowd are assuming they'll be able to do.

Smith does appeal slightly more to the moderate left muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #1
It's worth pointing out that Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #2
Fieldwork was 11th-15th of August, they published it on the 16th muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #3
Yes, therefore still in the honeymoon period. n/t Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #4
OK, we better stop talking then, until you deem the honeymoon period is over. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #6
Well, I have been rather quiet recently! Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #9
Whilst EU withdrawal should be the greater issue.... T_i_B Aug 2016 #5
Yes LeftishBrit Aug 2016 #8
It's certainly been hogging the media's interest. Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #10
And as an example of how unbelievably stupid the whole media thing's got, Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #11
It does show Corbyn's team in a rather stupid light T_i_B Aug 2016 #12
You're being silly...but would anyone actually object to Branson himself being nationalized? Ken Burch Aug 2016 #13
If you nationalise Branson..... T_i_B Aug 2016 #14
Careful. Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #15
This story is going to run and run.... T_i_B Aug 2016 #16
Yeah. Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #17
And not to Labour the point ... Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #18
Corbynite priorities...... T_i_B Aug 2016 #37
That is quite wrong LeftishBrit Aug 2016 #38
And leaves on the track! LeftishBrit Aug 2016 #19
Thanks for that response. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #7
Here's Smith's ideas T_i_B Aug 2016 #20
That's all well and good. Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #21
It comes back to the same, depressing problem T_i_B Aug 2016 #22
There are personal vendettas in play here. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #23
PURGE! PURGE! PUUUUUUURGE! T_i_B Aug 2016 #24
Not a purge. I don't personally favor kicking anyone out of your party. That's not my business. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #25
Mediocrities who hide their inadequacies in extreemism RogueTrooper Aug 2016 #26
LOL. You wanna see a "Stalin-style purge"? Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #27
On the contrary T_i_B Aug 2016 #28
Rather than worry about what "purges" may happen in the future, Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #29
If Owen Smith were to be elected after all these exclusions Ken Burch Aug 2016 #30
Peaceful is it? T_i_B Aug 2016 #31
Being so ridiculously selective in your outrage Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #32
One man's "self defence" is another mans GBH T_i_B Aug 2016 #33
Well, good. Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #34
Instalment 2 Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #35
Yawn T_i_B Aug 2016 #36
"Yawn" Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #39
Wrong T_i_B Sep 2016 #40
"the Labour leadership contest is all about personal vendetta's" Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #41
Actually I was thinking of something different about the SNP T_i_B Sep 2016 #42
Well, Labour in Scotland's woes are manifold, Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #43
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