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Denzil_DC

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43. Well, Labour in Scotland's woes are manifold,
Fri Sep 2, 2016, 04:31 AM
Sep 2016

and have very little to do with Corbyn, and everything to do with residual Blairism and the hollowing out of the party at all levels over the past couple of decades, along with the tensions of trying to marry the outlooks of the Scottish and UK-wide electorate.

Corbyn doesn't understand the Scottish political scene, and seems to take his briefings via the current out-of-touch Scottish leadership, which is itself divided.

Owen Smith is even less in touch with the situation north of the border:

Labour has been accused of being in “complete chaos” in Scotland after leadership contender Owen Smith declared he would not oppose a second independence referendum – directly contradicting the position of his party north of the border.

The Pontypridd MP, who is standing against Jeremy Corbyn, also said he would happily overrule Scottish Labour on the issue of renewing the UK’s Trident nuclear deterrent, describing this as the “nature of devolution”.

In what Labour’s political opponents described as a “car crash” interview this morning, Mr Smith said that while he did not think there should be another independence vote, it was ultimately “for the Scottish people” to decide whether or not they wanted one.

...

His stance directly contradicts Scottish Labour’s official view on the matter. The party’s manifesto ahead of the Scottish Parliament election earlier this year said it opposed holding another referendum in the next five years, and leader Kezia Dugdale is against a re-run of 2014’s vote. Mr Smith also reiterated his support for the renewal of Trident, which Scottish Labour has opposed since a vote at its autumn conference last year.

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/owen-smith-fire-car-crash-scottish-radio-interview/


There's some excuse for this, as the Scottish leadership can't get its own ducks in a row.

Current Scottish Labour leader Kezia Dugdale is a switherer, incompetent, and living on borrowed time, having been AWOL in America for a large part of the summer, missing the fallout from the Brexit vote. She doggedly opposes another indyref, while her deputy and a number of other leading Scottish Labour figures have expressed guarded support for it in recent times. As for Trident, a weathervane swings back and forth less than Dugdale on that issue, and she had to repent on her earlier stance on it to comply with the overwhelming sentiment within the party in Scotland (apart from the ridiculous opportunist Jackie Baillie, obviously).

Smith was gobsmacked at the Scottish hustings when his statement that Dugdale was doing a great job was met with bitter guffaws. Rather than realizing why his declaration might be considered risible, he blethered on about this being evidence of "entryism" in Scottish Labour.

Scottish Labour would wet itself in joy at the prospect of having a problem like entryism.

The irony of his condemning this lack of loyalty to a party leader while playing his own part in the attempted Corbyn coup was lost on him, but very few others.
Smith does appeal slightly more to the moderate left muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #1
It's worth pointing out that Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #2
Fieldwork was 11th-15th of August, they published it on the 16th muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #3
Yes, therefore still in the honeymoon period. n/t Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #4
OK, we better stop talking then, until you deem the honeymoon period is over. muriel_volestrangler Aug 2016 #6
Well, I have been rather quiet recently! Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #9
Whilst EU withdrawal should be the greater issue.... T_i_B Aug 2016 #5
Yes LeftishBrit Aug 2016 #8
It's certainly been hogging the media's interest. Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #10
And as an example of how unbelievably stupid the whole media thing's got, Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #11
It does show Corbyn's team in a rather stupid light T_i_B Aug 2016 #12
You're being silly...but would anyone actually object to Branson himself being nationalized? Ken Burch Aug 2016 #13
If you nationalise Branson..... T_i_B Aug 2016 #14
Careful. Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #15
This story is going to run and run.... T_i_B Aug 2016 #16
Yeah. Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #17
And not to Labour the point ... Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #18
Corbynite priorities...... T_i_B Aug 2016 #37
That is quite wrong LeftishBrit Aug 2016 #38
And leaves on the track! LeftishBrit Aug 2016 #19
Thanks for that response. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #7
Here's Smith's ideas T_i_B Aug 2016 #20
That's all well and good. Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #21
It comes back to the same, depressing problem T_i_B Aug 2016 #22
There are personal vendettas in play here. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #23
PURGE! PURGE! PUUUUUUURGE! T_i_B Aug 2016 #24
Not a purge. I don't personally favor kicking anyone out of your party. That's not my business. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #25
Mediocrities who hide their inadequacies in extreemism RogueTrooper Aug 2016 #26
LOL. You wanna see a "Stalin-style purge"? Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #27
On the contrary T_i_B Aug 2016 #28
Rather than worry about what "purges" may happen in the future, Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #29
If Owen Smith were to be elected after all these exclusions Ken Burch Aug 2016 #30
Peaceful is it? T_i_B Aug 2016 #31
Being so ridiculously selective in your outrage Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #32
One man's "self defence" is another mans GBH T_i_B Aug 2016 #33
Well, good. Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #34
Instalment 2 Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #35
Yawn T_i_B Aug 2016 #36
"Yawn" Denzil_DC Aug 2016 #39
Wrong T_i_B Sep 2016 #40
"the Labour leadership contest is all about personal vendetta's" Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #41
Actually I was thinking of something different about the SNP T_i_B Sep 2016 #42
Well, Labour in Scotland's woes are manifold, Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #43
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