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Ken Burch

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26. Even if they ran that, so what? And is it a crime for an antiwar movement to be well-organized?
Mon Sep 26, 2016, 02:20 PM
Sep 2016

The Stop The War Coalition didn't do anything insidious. And it's not as though an activist campaign should have to be a chaotic shambles just to prove its sincerity.

What matters is that the overwhelming majority of Stop The War were nonsectarian people of democratic intent.

It would serve no purpose to set up an anti-Trot update of McCarthyism in UK politics.

Why is it so hard for some people to accept that Corbyn's victories are simply what they appear to be on the surface-a good, decent person winning by speaking the principled truth and embodying what the people he speaks to actually WANT?

Why don't the anti-Corbynites give at least some thought to engaging and actually trying to work WITH Corbyn's supporters? To accepting that it's a GOOD thing for new people to enter the party? Or, if nothing else, to trying to recruit new people who agree with THEM rather than trying to kick as many Corbynites out of the party?

And why do some people think Labour can only win if it is led by a dismissive, elitist, anti-left cynic like Yvette Cooper?

I have a lot of respect for Andy Burnham at the moment-he has concerns about Corbyn, but he chose not to be a wrecker?

Corbyn will win easily T_i_B Sep 2016 #1
Corbyn will win. I don't think anyone seriously expects otherwise. LeftishBrit Sep 2016 #2
65% -> 70% for Corbyn would be my guess. RogueTrooper Sep 2016 #3
Corbyn got 62% T_i_B Sep 2016 #4
Indeed RogueTrooper Sep 2016 #5
Petition calls for Gandhi statue to be removed from Ghana University muriel_volestrangler Sep 2016 #6
All Momentum is is a since, democratic, grassroots group of activists for change. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #9
The real divide in Labour T_i_B Sep 2016 #7
Corbyn got almost 60% of Labour members overall, though. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #8
Ironic that RogueTrooper Sep 2016 #10
Corbyn doesn't hate Israel(OR Israelis). He's against the injustices visited on the Palestinians... Ken Burch Sep 2016 #11
The irony was your Monty Python reference RogueTrooper Sep 2016 #14
"The People's Front of Judea" was actually the Pythons' satirical take Ken Burch Sep 2016 #15
I think RT realized this and was joking about it LeftishBrit Sep 2016 #22
The Trotskyite thing is actually a bit complex T_i_B Sep 2016 #12
The best way for the old guard to get the Corbynites working WITH them... Ken Burch Sep 2016 #16
At most, there are 2,000 Trotskyites in the entire UK. They fight against each other Ken Burch Sep 2016 #23
Trots ran the anti-Iraq war movement! T_i_B Sep 2016 #24
I was one, among I think many, Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #25
Even if they ran that, so what? And is it a crime for an antiwar movement to be well-organized? Ken Burch Sep 2016 #26
The origins of the Corbyn insurgency... T_i_B Sep 2016 #27
I agree with you absolutely on that. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #28
YouGov ran an "exit poll". Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #13
You'd think they'd be happy that someone was causing Labour membership to increase. Ken Burch Sep 2016 #17
Blairites might disagree... T_i_B Sep 2016 #18
Brace yourself, T_i_B, Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #19
Oh, I would never deny Blair's personality cult T_i_B Sep 2016 #20
This was the problem with New Labour's courting of and reliance on the media. Denzil_DC Sep 2016 #21
So as an American reading this thread...I'm profoundly jealous. white_wolf Sep 2016 #29
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