Labour leadership result prediction thread.

[Ken Burch]

28. I agree with you absolutely on that.

And the way forward for Labour involves finding some way, whoever leads it, to include and empower the people whose politics are grounded in that moment(and, I'd also argue, in Occupy when it occurred a few years later).

At the moment, what you have is the newcomers, still having to fight to defend their very presence in the party(and not always behaving with total nobility, as is to be expected from any movement that is a situation like this)and an old guard, grounded in an old-style "Cold War" mindset towards anything and anyone to the left of its comfort zone)that cares more about delegitimizing not only Corbyn(who is simply one decent but somewhat flawed man)and silencing or driving away his supporters than they do about doing anything at all to revitalize and renew the party at a time when the politics of 1997 simply no longer work.

Labour can ONLY win if the Corbyn supporters are kept part of the party. Momentum is not Militant 2.0 and there is no possible political benefit for the party in doing unto them as Kinnock did to both Militant AND the non-Militant Labour Left after 1985(there actually wasn't that much benefit to Kinnock himself for doing that...he only managed to get Labour back up to about 34%(from 26% in 1983)in his second blown election, and it's likely that Labour's vote share would have increased that much simply due to David Owen's sabotage of the LibDem merger and the anti-centre party trend that Owen helped caused by doing that-I'm pretty sure that, as a LibDem, you are still furious with his Lordship for not only splintering the alliance, but splintering his splinter when he endorsed the Tories in '92).