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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
7. No, I'm not supporting McCluskey's actions
Sat Feb 4, 2017, 05:20 PM
Feb 2017

I'm saying the other guy is not an innocent victim. Were I in McCluskey's case, I'd have handled the situation a different way.

You can disagree with what McCluskey did here and still acknowledge that he has good reason to see Chuka as, essentially, an enemy.

Mr. Umunna devoted the 2015 campaign to attacking union and telling them they had no right to expect anything from a Labour government(he did this at a TUC meeting at one point).

He has called repeatedly for the expulsion of Momentum and spread the false media accusations that the group is a bunch of anti-Semitic Trotskyist thugs. Can you tell me why is it that anti-Corbynites can't accept that people could want Labour to be a radical party again WITHOUT being members of "The People's Front of Judea"?

Any push to expel Momentum will have to mean repeating the pointless Nineties strategy of driving almost all the remaining socialists out of the party, leaving, in this case, next to no one remaining within it. There's no way to expel Momentum and still have Labour be a party in which people who care about workers and the poor and peace are welcome.

And despite Corbyn's landslide re-election as leader, in spite of massive and totally unjustified vote suppression in the leadership contest by the Blairite party bureaucracy, Mr. Umunna has never stopped conspiring to replace Corbyn with a right-winger.

I disagree with the suspension(btw, do you disagree the suspensions or expulsions of hundreds of thousands of Labour members and supporters during the leadership re-vote? Can you honestly say that if Owen the Pfizer Lobbyist somehow won the leadership, and won it by a smaller margin than the number of suspended and expelled voters, his victory in that instance would have had any legitimacy? Those suspensions and expulsions were no more legitimate than this) but it's comprehensible why McCluskey might have been in the frame of mind to impose it. MPs like Chuka don't care about the workers. If they did they wouldn't be "moderates".

BTW, Iwould have voted Remain(as Corbyn voted and campaigned). And I'm disappointed that Leave prevailed. The problem is, there's no way to fight to keep Britain in the EU that isn't elitist and antidemocratic. And there's no reason to think THAT fighting to stay in the EU would result in anything but UKIP staying in business and continuing to gain votes in the North and Northeast of England.

Well, anything Chuka Umunna does is about trying to make Labour stand for nothing at all Ken Burch Jan 2017 #1
If this is how Unite treat other people in the Labour movement... T_i_B Jan 2017 #2
I didn't support what McCluskey did. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #3
Wrong T_i_B Jan 2017 #4
It's not about "ideological purity", it's about who you fight for. Ken Burch Jan 2017 #5
So you are supporting McCluskey's actions then. T_i_B Feb 2017 #6
No, I'm not supporting McCluskey's actions Ken Burch Feb 2017 #7
This is not about Corbyn, Umunna or McCluskey but about Remain/Leave and the RIGHT to fight against LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #8
As I said, I'd have voted Remain. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #9
Because at the moment leaving the EU is inextricably intertwined with anti-immigrant, racist policy LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Feb 2017 #11
Was this post intended for me? LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #12
I should have sent it to the person who started this thread Ken Burch Feb 2017 #13
I was responding specifically to your remark LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #16
Two things I think came into play with what McCluskey did(I don't support suspensions, period) Ken Burch Feb 2017 #14
Thank f**k you aren't my union rep T_i_B Feb 2017 #15
Is there any way to improve matters for UNITE's members.. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #17
The answer is by building coalitions T_i_B Feb 2017 #18
The members of the PLP who still want Corbyn out aren't PART of the left, though Ken Burch Feb 2017 #19
They absolutly are 100% part of the left T_i_B Feb 2017 #20
I've got nothing against Clive Lewis. Clive Lewis supports Jeremy as leader. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #21
Unite HQ Dworkin Feb 2017 #22
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