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25. I agree that it's a lot more basic than left/right positioning

Sat Feb 25, 2017, 05:54 AM

Feb 2017

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That much was made clear from the last general election, where Labour lost votes to Tories and UKIP on the right, and absolutely hemorrhaged votes on the left to the SNP in Scotland. There's something bigger that's wrong with Labour than where they position themselves on a theoretical spectrum

However, people on all sides of the Labour party seem unable to grasp this point, and if anything Labour is getting worse at the basic stuff. And that's why I've become deeply disillusioned with Corbyn. Not because of how left wing he is, but because of how badly Labour is being run.

If anything, they were lucky that in Stoke Central they had an opponent in Paul Nuttall who is even worse at the basic stuff. If you behaved like Paul Nuttall in any other profession you would find yourself fired or out of business.

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Is UKIP's Paul Nuttall Britain's ultimate "post truth" politician? [View all] T_i_B Feb 2017 OP

k & r n/t TubbersUK Feb 2017 #1

The guy just keeps on lying SwissTony Feb 2017 #2

Didn't take long.... T_i_B Feb 2017 #3

He seems to be a truly pathological liar... LeftishBrit Feb 2017 #4

Nuttall. Nutter. Same thing. nt mwooldri Feb 2017 #5

Hopefully this will destroy his chances in the by-election. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #6

Two Ukip chairmen in Merseyside quit over Hillsborough row muriel_volestrangler Feb 2017 #7

This is why anti-Corbyn efforts should have stopped for at least the duration of the by-elections Ken Burch Feb 2017 #8

Hate was beaten in Stoke Ken Burch Feb 2017 #9

Nuttall didn't lose because he's a bigot T_i_B Feb 2017 #10

No they lost because the people of that district did not feel comfortable with Corbyn. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #11

If they want Corbyn out, his opponents in the party should stop trying to dispossess his supporters. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #12

Well I think the party should be an open party in terms of who can run but Corbyn is not hrmjustin Feb 2017 #13

The Labour Party bureaucracy suspended or expelled over 125,000 people Ken Burch Feb 2017 #14

From what I understand only a few hundred thousand people voted in the leadership race. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #15

Then it should hold an internal party election. Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #16

I agree the labour party needs reform. They need to expand party membership and it should be free. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #17

Well, Labour currently has plenty of members, thanks to Corbyn. Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #18

You make a good point about the money. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #19

IMO, the problem with our politics for far too long Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #20

Too bad the first minister of Scotland could not be the PM of the UK. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #21

Yeah, well ... Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #22

Rest well! hrmjustin Feb 2017 #23

We don't have an American style system in this country.... T_i_B Feb 2017 #24

12 pounds a year, with concessions (though they'd like you to pay more) muriel_volestrangler Feb 2017 #26

Shouldn't that information be in a more prominent place on the website? T_i_B Feb 2017 #27

Those FAQs are on the same 'Join' drop-down from the site home page as 'Join Us' is muriel_volestrangler Feb 2017 #28

I agree that it's a lot more basic than left/right positioning T_i_B Feb 2017 #25