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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
6. No one the PLP would accept would lead-all they care about is putting a "moderate" in.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 01:35 AM
Mar 2017

And it's the PLP...230 people out of a party with more than 500,000 paid members-who will determine who is allowed to stand to replace Corbyn as leader if he does stand down.

There's no good reason why the MPs, the most reactionary and anti-democratic section of the party, should have the power to determine who the party as a whole gets to choose as leader.

(What I'm posting below is for the benefit of those just tuning in from the States-you already know all of it)

Most of the PLP, at least those in its right wing majority, no longer care about the condition of the working- or kept-from-working poor poor, do not want to oppose austerity, do not want to reverse anything Thatcher, Major or Cameron did, do not want Labour to disagree with the Tories on anything important. They want to reduce Labour's policies to nothing but saving tiny bits of the NHS-although not too many bits or Mr. Murdoch will complain.

They see a future Labour government not as a chance to transform society on an egalitarian or democratic basis, not to help anyone harmed by Thatcherism, but mainly as an occasion for themselves to do photo opportunities with U.S. presidents and British troops still deployed on Arab/Muslim soil or later in Ukraine, until the time comes to acquire life peerages and move into corporate directorships.

The sad truth is, if anyone the PLP approved actually managed to win an election-it's obvious that none of them can-you wouldn't be able to tell that they weren't leading a Tory government.

The PLP won't let anyone who could win get on the leadership ballot, because they won't allow any anti-austerity, pro-worker candidates to stand, and those are the only types who could ever be popular. It is completely impossible for Labour to ever rally future electoral support on the program the PLP wants-more cuts, more war, more greed.

They know this, yet they would rather destroy the party than admit it.

All I will say here... T_i_B Mar 2017 #1
The anti-Corbyn types probably could have persuaded Corbyn to go... Ken Burch Mar 2017 #2
It's not all about Corbyn at this point. It's barely even about Labour any more. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #3
There are valid points in what you've said. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #4
There's not much point having a leader if he/she doesn't lead. n/t Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #5
No one the PLP would accept would lead-all they care about is putting a "moderate" in. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #6
And too many of the Corbynites care only about kicking the moderates out T_i_B Mar 2017 #7
The "moderates" could stop all of that if they just stopped scheming against the current leader. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #12
Wrong. T_i_B Mar 2017 #13
Would you agree with what I suggested above... Ken Burch Mar 2017 #17
No T_i_B Mar 2017 #18
Care to say why my theories are garbage? Ken Burch Mar 2017 #20
Dude - read what I've written above. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #9
I don't want to talk about Corbyn or anti-Corbyn either....but the anti-people "Labour" MPs Ken Burch Mar 2017 #14
"The best approach was to fight to save multicultural Britain in a post-Brexit world." Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #30
In the here and now, there was never any chance that ANY Tory MPs would defy May on Article 50. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #32
Nonsense. There are Tory MPs who are opposed, Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #33
Thanks Denzil T_i_B Mar 2017 #8
If Corbyn hasn't disappointed me on the Scottish issue, Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #10
I actually feel sorry for Kezia Dugdale T_i_B Mar 2017 #11
Why is she even still leading Holyrood Labour after a third-place finish? Ken Burch Mar 2017 #15
Who else is there in Scottish Labour? T_i_B Mar 2017 #16
Is it a requirement that the Scottish Labour leader be a sitting MSP? Ken Burch Mar 2017 #19
Party leaders should always be elected officials T_i_B Mar 2017 #21
That creates a dilemma: Ken Burch Mar 2017 #22
Labour's rivals would love that proposal T_i_B Mar 2017 #23
Why on earth is it so important to you that Scottish Labour survives? Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #27
Only because Labour needs to make a comeback in Scotland... Ken Burch Mar 2017 #28
I've had to knock this myth down before. Sorry, your first argument is just nonsense. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #29
I respect your opinions. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #31
I could make some guesses where you might have read stuff like that. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #34
I appreciate the additional information. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #35
That's a shame. One would hope for better. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #36
Her deputy, Alex Rowley, would be in improvement in all sorts of ways. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #24
OK, we have a point of agreement, finally. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Warpy Mar 2017 #26
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