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Denzil_DC

(7,221 posts)
34. I could make some guesses where you might have read stuff like that.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 10:53 PM
Mar 2017

Labour Hame would be one, but there are others. There's a passably vibrant online community who do nothing but peddle these partisan myths.

Check and see whether their complaints include the fact that the SNP-led Scottish Government refused to nationalize the Scottish railways.

It's a good test, because there's no way it could have - it's one of those powers reserved to Westminster, so it would have been plain illegal.

That didn't stop one Jeremy Corbyn loudly banging on about this horrible betrayal of the Scottish people, among many others, on one of his visits up north last year ...



To debunk that rubbish, I'll let Wings Over Scotland do the writing again, because I have RSI:

“The SNP are privatising CalMac.”

Not true. The SNP are following a tendering process which is required by EU law, and which was also undertaken in an identical fashion by the last Labour-led administration at Holyrood. No decision has as yet been made.


(Calmac - a large, long-established but frequently struggling ferry company - wasn't privatized. It has since won the franchise in the last tendering round. We who live on the coast cheered.)

“{The SNP} were behind privatisation of ScotRail.”

Hang on, what? Britain’s railways (including Scotland’s) were privatised by the Tories under the Railways Act 1993. The Scottish Parliament didn’t even exist at the time.

Privatisation/nationalisation of railways is reserved to Westminster under the same act – it’s totally outwith the Scottish Government’s control. It’s currently forbidden by law for the public sector to own/operate Britain’s railways except in emergencies


More debunking of SNP Bad myths (with supporting links) at this unashamedly partisan blog, but one that's wedded to exposing media lies: http://wingsoverscotland.com/advice-for-jeremy-corbyn/

Other of Corbyn's lies in that few second-long clip exploded there: “{they’re} also cutting college places”, “{they’re} also privatising services” - and most germane to what you cited earlier, “{they’re} also cutting local government funding”. To which the riposte is:

In fact, despite having to deal with heavy reductions to its budget from Westminster (10% in real terms since 2009-10), the SNP has protected local-government funding, and indeed just days ago it was shown to have OVER-funded local authorities by £165m in compensation for its policy of freezing the Council Tax.


(Since Corbyn's interview and the above was written, the Council Tax freeze has ended - and this in the run-up to local government elections where there could be a political price for the SNP to pay - precisely to protect local authority funding because it was untenable to subsidize the shortfall any more.)

That's why he can't disappoint me in anything he says about Scotland. Because it's been obvious for ages that he hasn't a fucking clue, apparently has no desire to check his facts before spouting off, and will say anything his daft Scottish minders feed him - and they've made such a success of things themselves.

Anyway, it's less about independence at this point than it is about survival.
All I will say here... T_i_B Mar 2017 #1
The anti-Corbyn types probably could have persuaded Corbyn to go... Ken Burch Mar 2017 #2
It's not all about Corbyn at this point. It's barely even about Labour any more. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #3
There are valid points in what you've said. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #4
There's not much point having a leader if he/she doesn't lead. n/t Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #5
No one the PLP would accept would lead-all they care about is putting a "moderate" in. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #6
And too many of the Corbynites care only about kicking the moderates out T_i_B Mar 2017 #7
The "moderates" could stop all of that if they just stopped scheming against the current leader. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #12
Wrong. T_i_B Mar 2017 #13
Would you agree with what I suggested above... Ken Burch Mar 2017 #17
No T_i_B Mar 2017 #18
Care to say why my theories are garbage? Ken Burch Mar 2017 #20
Dude - read what I've written above. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #9
I don't want to talk about Corbyn or anti-Corbyn either....but the anti-people "Labour" MPs Ken Burch Mar 2017 #14
"The best approach was to fight to save multicultural Britain in a post-Brexit world." Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #30
In the here and now, there was never any chance that ANY Tory MPs would defy May on Article 50. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #32
Nonsense. There are Tory MPs who are opposed, Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #33
Thanks Denzil T_i_B Mar 2017 #8
If Corbyn hasn't disappointed me on the Scottish issue, Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #10
I actually feel sorry for Kezia Dugdale T_i_B Mar 2017 #11
Why is she even still leading Holyrood Labour after a third-place finish? Ken Burch Mar 2017 #15
Who else is there in Scottish Labour? T_i_B Mar 2017 #16
Is it a requirement that the Scottish Labour leader be a sitting MSP? Ken Burch Mar 2017 #19
Party leaders should always be elected officials T_i_B Mar 2017 #21
That creates a dilemma: Ken Burch Mar 2017 #22
Labour's rivals would love that proposal T_i_B Mar 2017 #23
Why on earth is it so important to you that Scottish Labour survives? Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #27
Only because Labour needs to make a comeback in Scotland... Ken Burch Mar 2017 #28
I've had to knock this myth down before. Sorry, your first argument is just nonsense. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #29
I respect your opinions. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #31
I could make some guesses where you might have read stuff like that. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #34
I appreciate the additional information. Ken Burch Mar 2017 #35
That's a shame. One would hope for better. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #36
Her deputy, Alex Rowley, would be in improvement in all sorts of ways. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #24
OK, we have a point of agreement, finally. Denzil_DC Mar 2017 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Warpy Mar 2017 #26
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