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Celerity

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26. I vote in Kensington, I am voting Labour, I will NEVER vote for that ex Tory Gymiah, not a chance
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 10:18 AM
Oct 2019

The constituency is simply Kensington, not Kensington and Chelsea. Kensington and Chelsea was abolished for the 2010 election, when the 1974–1997 Kensington constituency was recreated and Chelsea formed a new constituency together with the southern part of the former Hammersmith and Fulham constituency, called the Chelsea and Fulham constituency.

Emma Dent Coad won Kensington by 20 votes in 2017 (5 from me and my family), the first time we beat the Tories in the history of its modern iterations.

I do not trust the Lib Dems at all, they are Tory collaborators. They propped up that rotter Cameron for 5 years, 5 years of austerity, privatisation, and a general diminution of our welfare state and protections for workers and the less well-off.


Sam Gyimah’s voting in Parliament Vote for Lib Dems, you get more of this rot in many cases:

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24789/sam_gyimah/east_surrey

Generally voted against UK membership of the EU
5 votes for, 17 votes against, 2 absences, between 2016–2019


Almost always voted for fewer MPs in the House of Commons
6 votes for, 1 vote against, 1 absence, between 2010–2016

Voted for raising England’s undergraduate tuition fee cap to £9,000 per year
1 vote for, 0 votes against, in 2010


Almost always voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
0 votes for, 11 votes against, 4 absences, between 2011–2016


https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24789/sam_gyimah/east_surrey/votes

Consistently voted for use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas
6 votes for, 1 vote against, between 2013–2015


Voted against investigations into the Iraq war
0 votes for, 1 vote against, in 2016


Consistently voted for replacing Trident with a new nuclear weapons system
5 votes for, 0 votes against, in 2016


Generally voted against more EU integration
33 votes for, 58 votes against, 8 absences, between 2011–2019


Consistently voted against strengthening the Military Covenant
0 votes for, 3 votes against, between 2011–2012

Almost always voted against a right to remain for EU nationals already in living in the UK
0 votes for, 15 votes against, 3 absences, between 2016–2019


Consistently voted for military action against ISIL (Daesh)
3 votes for, 0 votes against, between 2014–2015

Generally voted for reducing housing benefit for social tenants deemed to have excess bedrooms (which Labour describe as the "bedroom tax"n)
12 votes for, 0 votes against, 6 absences, between 2011–2018


Consistently voted against raising welfare benefits at least in line with prices
0 votes for, 5 votes against, in 2013


Almost always voted against paying higher benefits over longer periods for those unable to work due to illness or disability
0 votes for, 11 votes against, 4 absences, between 2011–2016


Consistently voted for making local councils responsible for helping those in financial need afford their council tax and reducing the amount spent on such support
4 votes for, 0 votes against, in 2012

Almost always voted for a reduction in spending on welfare benefits
47 votes for, 0 votes against, 7 absences, between 2012–2016


Almost always voted against spending public money to create guaranteed jobs for young people who have spent a long time unemployed
0 votes for, 8 votes against, 1 absence, between 2011–2014


Generally voted for lower taxes on fuel for motor vehicles
6 votes for, 8 votes against, 2 absences, between 2010–2013

Consistently voted against increasing the tax rate applied to income over £150,000
0 votes for, 12 votes against, between 2012–2015


Generally voted against a banker’s bonus tax
1 vote for, 13 votes against, 4 absences, between 2011–2015


Voted a mixture of for and against higher taxes on banks
6 votes for, 9 votes against, between 2011–2018

Almost always voted against an annual tax on the value of expensive homes (popularly known as a mansion tax)
0 votes for, 3 votes against, 1 absence, in 2013

Consistently voted for allowing employees to exchange some employment rights for shares in the company they work for
5 votes for, 0 votes against, between 2012–2013


Almost always voted for more restrictive regulation of trade union activity
9 votes for, 0 votes against, 2 absences, between 2010–2017


Almost always voted for reducing capital gains tax
8 votes for, 1 vote against, between 2010–2016

Consistently voted for reducing the rate of corporation tax
25 votes for, 1 vote against, between 2010–2016

Consistently voted against restricting the provision of services to private patients by the NHS
0 votes for, 7 votes against, between 2011–2012


Almost always voted for reforming the NHS so GPs buy services on behalf of their patients
7 votes for, 0 votes against, 1 absence, between 2011–2019


Consistently voted for ending financial support for some 16-19 year olds in training and further education
2 votes for, 0 votes against, in 2011


Consistently voted for university tuition fees
5 votes for, 0 votes against, between 2010–2017


Consistently voted for a stricter asylum system
8 votes for, 0 votes against, between 2015–2016


Consistently voted for stronger enforcement of immigration rules
9 votes for, 0 votes against, between 2015–2016


Consistently voted for mass surveillance of people’s communications and activities
3 votes for, 0 votes against, in 2016

Generally voted against measures to prevent climate change
3 votes for, 16 votes against, 1 absence, between 2011–2019


Generally voted for lower taxes on fuel for motor vehicles
6 votes for, 8 votes against, 2 absences, between 2010–2013

Consistently voted for selling England’s state owned forests
2 votes for, 0 votes against, in 2011

Generally voted against greater regulation of hydraulic fracturing (fracking) to extract shale gas
1 vote for, 2 votes against, 1 absence, in 2015

Consistently voted for the privatisation of Royal Mail
3 votes for, 0 votes against, between 2010–2011


Consistently voted against restrictions on fees charged to tenants by letting agents
0 votes for, 5 votes against, between 2014–2018

Almost always voted for the policies included in the 2010 Conservative - Liberal Democrat Coalition Agreement
61 votes for, 8 votes against, 12 absences, between 2010–2015






As for Jo Swinson and the Lib Dems in General

hard pass



Here's more proof why it's hard to trust Jo Swinson on anything

https://www.thecanary.co/trending/2019/09/16/heres-more-proof-why-its-hard-to-trust-jo-swinson-on-anything/

Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson has pledged “to stop Brexit altogether”. But here’s more evidence showing why it’s hard to trust her on anything.

“What?!?

At party conference, the Liberal Democrats agreed to cancel Brexit if they get into power. Swinson said:

We will do all we can to fight for our place in Europe, and to stop Brexit altogether.


But if her voting record and refusal to work with Jeremy Corbyn wasn’t bad enough, a new video has emerged showing that Swinson previously backed a referendum on UK EU membership.

In 2008, Swinson said:




The Liberal Democrats would like to have a referendum on the major issue of in or out of Europe.


As her voting record shows, Swinson did indeed vote for a referendum in 2008. And indeed, despite blaming David Cameron for the 2016 referendum, the Lib Dems supported this option while Nick Clegg was at the helm, who led the party between 2007-2015:








The Lib Dems are deeply stained by austerity. Don’t trust them

With a new leader the party is enjoying a resurgence, but its support for the Tories in coalition can’t be forgotten so easily

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/23/lib-dems-stained-austerity-trust-tories



The Liberal Democrats are back, or so we’re told, with Jo Swinson’s leadership victory being pitched as the rebirth of the party. The unique conditions of Brexit have given the Lib Dems not only a reason to exist but the opportunity to detoxify their brand after their fatal coalition with the Conservatives, and to cast themselves as a reforming, progressive party in troubled times.

And yet remarkably little has changed since the days when Nick Clegg stood laughing in the Downing Street rose garden next to David Cameron as he signed Britain up to years of sweeping public spending cuts. When asked throughout this summer’s leadership campaign, Swinson (and her opponent, Ed Davey) consistently defended her party’s role in austerity measures. In an interview with Channel 4 News, Swinson said she had no regrets about the coalition, stating it was the right move “to get our country back on track”. This is despite the fact it has been shown that austerity shrunk the British economy by £100bn, and has even been linked to 130,000 preventable deaths. Swinson acknowledged “there were policies we let through [in coalition] that we shouldn’t have done”, naming the bedroom tax, but remained unrepentant on a whole host of others.

Instead, Swinson repeatedly claims credit for the Lib Dems being a moderating influence on the Tories. They may well have helped to rein in the Conservatives on some things (the party is said to have forced George Osborne to temporarily shelve child tax credit cuts) but this fundamentally misses the point: the Lib Dems weren’t coerced into the partnership, they voluntarily chose it, and as such were a reason every Tory cut that was passed was possible.

This isn’t about holding grudges or some sort of ideological purity. Political parties naturally evolve depending on the political times, and progress in policy positions should be credited. It was four years ago this week that the Labour party adopted its abysmal abstention strategy for key “welfare reform”, but the party has since wrestled internally to have the strong anti-austerity message it holds today, winning back support in the process.

The same cannot be said for the Lib Dems. This is a party that as recently as last year spoke of sacrificing some of the poorest people in society to benefit sanctions in exchange for a 5p tax on plastic bags while in coalition. Nor are their MPs against forming a pact with the Tories again, with Swinson simply ruling out joining forces with Boris Johnson or any Brexiteer.

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Everyone on this board will vote D, otherwise they would not be here. That is all you need to know. vsrazdem Oct 2019 #1
Ah but in the UK it is not that simple Soph0571 Oct 2019 #2
I see. Personally I think Brexit was idiotic, but that's just me. I really don't have any clue vsrazdem Oct 2019 #3
Boris is a wanker Soph0571 Oct 2019 #4
The Lib Dems are not progressives, they are Tory collaborators, they propped up Cameron for 5 years Celerity Oct 2019 #31
You replied to a post in the United Kingdom Group. Denzil_DC Oct 2019 #7
Sorry. vsrazdem Oct 2019 #8
If I had the vote in the UK it'd be LD. mwooldri Oct 2019 #15
I've been in the US long enough I don't get to vote in the UK, barring major changes. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2019 #5
Hey, welcome to Ireland ! OnDoutside Oct 2019 #9
Thank you. I was last there in 1976. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2019 #11
Everything is relative ! OnDoutside Oct 2019 #12
Thank you for the offer. I may take you up on that. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2019 #14
Having connections from Cork is always a positive ;) OnDoutside Oct 2019 #22
Thanks again. I'll include it in my homework. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2019 #29
Lib Dem. Winchester and Chandlers Ford is a Tory/Lib Dem marginal that voted Remain muriel_volestrangler Oct 2019 #6
It probably won't be a surprise to hear I'll be voting SNP. Denzil_DC Oct 2019 #10
I would not be surprised than other than Jo Swinson seat the whole of Scotland.. Soph0571 Oct 2019 #17
Swinson's seat is by no means secure. Denzil_DC Oct 2019 #24
Oh, and this plopped through my letterbox this morning: Denzil_DC Oct 2019 #25
I've had the same one! T_i_B Oct 2019 #30
I don't think this was a targeted mailing. Denzil_DC Nov 2019 #32
Ha! Andrew Neil savaged Swinson about that leaflet on his show: Denzil_DC Nov 2019 #33
Whoever people vote for, I hope it's tactical ! OnDoutside Oct 2019 #13
Too bloody right Soph0571 Oct 2019 #20
I have a relative working in the Passport office in London and you can imagine how busy they've been OnDoutside Oct 2019 #23
Guildford constituency should be interesting. mwooldri Oct 2019 #16
Is Sam Gymiah standing in his old seat as a LD? Soph0571 Oct 2019 #18
I think he is standing in Kensington and Chelsea T_i_B Oct 2019 #19
That makes more sense and he could take that Soph0571 Oct 2019 #21
I vote in Kensington, I am voting Labour, I will NEVER vote for that ex Tory Gymiah, not a chance Celerity Oct 2019 #26
Well I can't vote... BooScout Oct 2019 #27
LibDem - more on 'who's the least worst' basis LeftishBrit Oct 2019 #28
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