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lunamagica

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Thu Feb 11, 2016, 02:01 AM Feb 2016

The Biggest reason I just can't #FeelTheBern (The Fetishization of Not Knowing) [View all]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-kushner/the-fetishization-of-not-knowing-bernie-sanders_b_9195124.html

The Fetishization of Not Knowing

Daniel Kushner
PhD Candidate in Political Science at Brown University


I began this campaign as a Hillary fan who respected Bernie Sanders and what he had to say about the economy and U.S. politics. I'm not surprised that this message has appealed to so many people, both those I know, and those I don't, in part because it's something which has gotten less attention than it has deserved, even if there are problems with elements of it.

In my calmer moments, I think that the Sanders campaign might represent a positive shift for the discussion of certain topics within the Democratic Party and the broader populace. Listening to him over the past year, however, I began to increasingly believe that for all the positive things his campaign represents, it also represents something deeply problematic: a fetishization of not knowing.

For me, this probably began with the discussion over foreign policy. I spend a decent amount of my time being horrified by the genocide in Syria, and how the instability that seems to be pouring out of that country may produce horrifying outcomes in states ranging from Turkey to Lebanon to Western Europe. I think there is space for multiple proposals about what we do now, and though I'm sympathetic to much of what Obama is doing and Hillary is suggesting continuing, I would have thought a liberal candidate for the presidency would have been talking about the need for increased foreign aid, or greater openness to refugees, or, well, something.

Instead, his primary comment on international affairs seems to be to reiterate and reiterate and reiterate that he had voted against the Iraq War in 2002. When forced to discuss other matters, he quickly bobbles. In the most recent debate, he seemed unsure about whether North Korea has a single or multiple dictators, and then managed to take both positions in a matter of minutes about whether the U.S. should negotiate without preconditions with other countries.

Now, Bernie Sanders is not the first candidate to not be an expert on even something as significant as foreign affairs. But what's deeply troublesome here is how he seems to have no respect for knowledge on it. It's visible in the almost-disdain he expresses for Hillary Clinton's experience on the matter. She had been Secretary of State for four years, but he has been in Congress for more than two decades. Exactly when does he think he'll have sufficient experience to speak fluently on foreign policy?

Even more disconcerting has been his apparent unwillingness to find advisers to help bridge the gap. It was only 15 years ago that Democrats mocked George Bush Jr.'s disinterest in foreign policy; he at least had the courtesy to be embarrassed by what he didn't know, and hired a staff, including professors of international relations and former Secretaries of Defense, to help. They proved to provide much terrible advice, but there was at least an effort to appear informed. Sanders hasn't done so.

But foreign policy isn't a crucial part of the Sanders campaign. Health care, though, is. Five years ago, Sanders proposed a universal health care bill that failed to get any co-sponsors. When he was reticent to provide information about what plan he was proposing now, the Clinton campaign started to criticize that bill. In response, Sanders withdrew his support of that bill, meaning it now had zero support. Shortly before the Iowa caucuses, Sanders proposed a new plan, which was written by Gerald Friedman, a professor of economics at U-Mass Amherst, whose research focused on the history of the labor union movement in France and the U.S. The plan would cost in the area of $14 trillion over 10 years (for reference, Obamacare was projected to cost in the vicinity of $800 billion over that same time period).

Kenneth Thorpe, a professor of health policy at Emory, whose research is on the cost of medical programs, and has advised the Democrats in the Vermont State Legislature when they sought to pass a single-payer plan, noted that the plan promised savings in the area of $324 billion a year from prescription drugs, which would have been impressive, considering Americans spend only in the vicinity of $305 billion a year.

When the Sanders campaign was presented with this disparity, as well as others, they quickly attacked Thorpe, and then changed their numbers to acknowledge $444 billion per year of increased costs, but also, instantaneously, magically, found the same number of savings elsewhere. This is not how somebody tries to suggest a serious effort to improve the deeply problematic health care plan in the U.S.

This disrespect for expertise is also manifest in how Sanders speaks about the establishment. Recently, when Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Campaign endorsed Clinton, he referred to their leadership as being parts of the establishment. They are, to be sure, members of an establishment. They're members of the liberal Democratic establishment that has been promoting, sometimes intelligently and other times not, sometimes effectively and other times less so, liberal ideals for decades.

For efforts to promote human rights, these are the people one would expect to have the most understanding of how to do so. One of the fascinating things about this campaign has been seeing how so many of those who should know Bernie Sanders the best, and have worked the hardest on what would appear to be his issues, have been so eager to oppose him. He spent more than a decade in the House; of the 188 Democrats there now, two endorsed him, and 157 endorsed Hillary.

Sanders serves in the U.S. Senate with 45 Democratic-voting colleagues; not only have none endorsed him, but 39 have endorsed Hillary. Sanders has been a significant figure in Vermont politics for four decades. Patrick Leahy, his fellow Senator from Vermont, endorsed Hillary. The incumbent governor of Vermont, and two former Democratic governors of Vermont, endorsed Hillary.

Sanders has focused on issues relating to the labor movement; virtually every single major labor union has endorsed Hillary Clinton. For contrast, in the 2008 campaign, many of these people waited until a few primaries had been held before endorsing. This time, there is almost glee in their desire to make their views known.

Again and again, when the Sanders campaign learns of these moves, the emphasis is on their being parts of the establishment. And they are parts of an establishment. But if this establishment is the enemy, then on whose side is he?
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Great read! I support Hillary, but still defended Bernie Lucinda Feb 2016 #1
Interesting, Lucinda.. thank you for that. Cha Feb 2016 #13
posted here instead of to lunamagica Lucinda Feb 2016 #40
I hope there is a debate centered in foreign policy lunamagica Feb 2016 #17
me too! Lucinda Feb 2016 #43
I am more liberal than Hillary but have come to Hortensis Feb 2016 #19
Great post! This is a good description of my path to supporting Hillary too/ Squinch Feb 2016 #38
The total disregard for others views is astounding. Lucinda Feb 2016 #42
Interesting research, but not surprising. Hortensis Feb 2016 #44
I agree. It sems the definition of "corrupt" for some is directly related to Lucinda Feb 2016 #45
+1000! Encouragingly, in New Hampshire, as in Iowa, Hortensis Feb 2016 #46
Yep. She does have some trouble in these polls, which Lucinda Feb 2016 #47
Public slurs can never be fully erased from Hortensis Feb 2016 #48
It was pretty much a commercial for just how awesome she is. Lucinda Feb 2016 #50
Yes! A 13-hour virtuosa eye-opener for many. Hortensis Feb 2016 #53
I loved it when one guy from the audience at the town hall told her he watched it all Lucinda Feb 2016 #54
+1! BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #51
agree with this post..thank-you for writing it ;) mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #2
My pleasure, Maggie ;) lunamagica Feb 2016 #18
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2016 #3
Yes shenmue Feb 2016 #4
This brings up several good points gwheezie Feb 2016 #5
His supportera are blinded by his peomises. Free college? $15.00 an hour to start with? lunamagica Feb 2016 #20
I agree with so much of this BainsBane Feb 2016 #6
It's just easier to go with simple platitudes, especially when he is saying what people want to hear lunamagica Feb 2016 #22
Figures BainsBane Feb 2016 #49
k/r Dawson Leery Feb 2016 #7
The New Know-Nothings, Treant Feb 2016 #8
Yes, they like to see themselves not just so much morally superion than us, but also intelectually lunamagica Feb 2016 #24
I did finally flip out on another board Treant Feb 2016 #32
K&R betsuni Feb 2016 #9
Excellent read... Satch59 Feb 2016 #10
One of the best articles I have ever read. I hope Hillary brings lunamagica Feb 2016 #25
K&R JohnnyRingo Feb 2016 #11
So much to think about! lunamagica Feb 2016 #27
Wow, lunamagica .. I finally got the time to sit still and read this.. Cha Feb 2016 #12
IMO, that's the best point of many good ones made here. Hortensis Feb 2016 #21
Cha, this is one of the best analysis ever...it really shows how unprepared Sanders is for lunamagica Feb 2016 #26
What an excellent article, and a helluva good read. Thanks for posting it here. n/t Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #14
Excellent indeed. Please shrare it anywhere you can lunamagica Feb 2016 #28
Will do! n/t Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #33
and there is this other yuge reason to support Hillary over Bernie. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2016 #15
The GOP would tear him appart in a GE campaign over this lunamagica Feb 2016 #29
This is excellent! BooScout Feb 2016 #16
Beyond excellent! Please, share it anywhere you can! lunamagica Feb 2016 #30
I already have, lol BooScout Feb 2016 #35
I think a big part of the "attraction" is general revulsion at US foreign policy since WW2 The Green Manalishi Feb 2016 #23
Plus the promise of free college...it's not a slam to young people, but some things come with age lunamagica Feb 2016 #31
Kick & very highly recommended! William769 Feb 2016 #34
You make valid points regarding Bernie's weaknesses........ DrewFlorida Feb 2016 #36
I have no doubt whatsoever Ratty Feb 2016 #37
Anyone who claims that Hillary supporters... wysi Feb 2016 #55
Excellent! pandr32 Feb 2016 #39
Probably the best written expression of the many reasons why justhanginon Feb 2016 #41
Excellent article, lunamagica! BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #52
Wow.. So Sanders has only around five percent of dem congress nominees?!? YCHDT Feb 2016 #56
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