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hunter

(38,309 posts)
6. Thought experiment: Let's pretend solar panels are FREE.
Thu Apr 20, 2017, 11:01 PM
Apr 2017

Dropped on your driveway, FREE.

Your neighbor is growing them in his backyard like zucchini. They're tough panels too, like tire rubber, will last a good ten or fifteen years on your roof, maybe more.

So you buy a grid tie inverter, hire some roofers and electricians, and it's solar utopia, right?

Sadly, even in that fantastic scenario, I can't make the damned math work, and I can't save the world.

Can't do it with nuclear power or magical fusion power systems either.

A sustainable society looks nothing like the high energy society many DU members now enjoy, especially when it's extended to all the billions of people who now exist on this earth.

I'm not a "doomer." I think we already have the technologies we need to mitigate some of the worst horrors of our excesses. What we lack is the will, and the inclination to help our neighbors. We've already got climate change refugees, and soon-to-be refugees. We've got people who deny there's any problem. We've got people eagerly anticipating their fossil-fueled entry into our world economy and our "consumer" lifestyle. And we've got people chasing after pretty, impossible dreams of sporty electric cars powered by solar panels and wind turbines.

The trouble is 8, 10, 12 billion or more people can't live like affluent U.S. Americans without destroying what's left of this planet's natural and sustaining environment.

But maybe we can feed everyone, find comfortable homes and communities for everyone who is displaced, establish a universal medical care system robust enough to prevent plagues even as the climate changes in ways favorable to disease organisms, and most of all, stop fighting.

How do you create a low energy, low environmental impact society in which most people are happy, their communities thriving, and at peace with their neighbors?

New technologies may or may not be helpful, but that's not the answer.

5-10TW within 13 years? kristopher Apr 2017 #1
You're welcome OKIsItJustMe Apr 2017 #3
Peak watts are not energy, never have been, never will be. The operative point is 1% of... NNadir Apr 2017 #2
rate of growth in solar is indisputable ccarrick Apr 2017 #4
Bullshit. First of all, the solar industry doesn't count the cost of redundancies, in... NNadir Apr 2017 #5
You, sir, are full of crap ccarrick Apr 2017 #12
Well, sir, I'm going to go with the measured chemistry of the planetary atmosphere and thousands... NNadir Apr 2017 #13
Talk about projection ccarrick Apr 2017 #14
Nuclear energy for more than 30 years has been the world's largest, by far, source of climate... NNadir Apr 2017 #15
waste ccarrick Apr 2017 #16
zone of death ccarrick Apr 2017 #19
Thought experiment: Let's pretend solar panels are FREE. hunter Apr 2017 #6
Is there a harm in putting solar in place? OKIsItJustMe Apr 2017 #7
Probably. It will be electronic waste in 20 or 30 years, and there will be no infrastructure... NNadir Apr 2017 #8
There's no such thing yet. hunter Apr 2017 #9
Individuals, putting panels on their roofs is not "the answer" OKIsItJustMe Apr 2017 #10
You, for one, don't see anything wrong with throwing trillions of dollars that could be spent... NNadir Apr 2017 #11
yes, but how? ccarrick Apr 2017 #17
Here in the U.S.A. we've already got a robust high capacity distributed energy system. hunter Apr 2017 #18
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