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John ONeill

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12. 'I don't see anyone choosing renewable over nuclear. They choose renewable over coal.'
Thu Jul 19, 2018, 11:35 PM
Jul 2018

'I don't see anyone choosing renewable over nuclear. They choose renewable over coal.' The Germans have chosen coal over nuclear - the last of the reactors which used to provide nearly a third of the country's power will close by 2022, while there is no plan on when to phase out the coal plants, by far the largest power source now.
In the US, Democrat-led states have been closing nuclear plants to the benefit of natural gas - San Onofre in California, and Vermont Yankee, have mainly been replaced by gas power. Diablo Canyon will supposedly be substituted by mandatory solar roofs, but as soon as the sun sets or the clouds move in, the gas turbines will be busy making CO2 ( unless maybe Michael Shellenberger gets to be Governor.) Even is sunny California, solar gets less than a third of nuclear's capacity factor, and over most of the country, rather less.

Solar is just getting started. True disruption to other sources is not in our lifetime. Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #1
Yeah. I know. Solar has been "just getting started" since 1954. NNadir Jul 2018 #3
Uh, first it is an ad and so hyperbole is par. Second, it is one battery. See no claim it is going Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #8
So is climate change NickB79 Jul 2018 #11
Tired of this crap. Eko Jul 2018 #2
I got the same Strawman! Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #9
So this is the convincing part of your arguent... sfwriter Jul 2018 #4
'I don't see anyone choosing renewable over nuclear. They choose renewable over coal.' John ONeill Jul 2018 #12
I thought the thread concerned the US market. sfwriter Jul 2018 #14
By your logic... NNadir Jul 2018 #15
Move to China ... GeorgeGist Jul 2018 #5
Actually, I love my country and despise the morons who are making it unsafe... NNadir Jul 2018 #6
I am actually with you on nuclear. Pocket nuclear plants today, without being a expert, seem Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #10
Thank you for your civil and kind suggestion about an approach to, um, "getting my point across." NNadir Jul 2018 #13
Thank you for the response, I am truly flattered, as much as I can be given my resistance to Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #16
Are renewables useful ? John ONeill Jul 2018 #18
Word...Battery...once the power density storage efficiency reaches a certain point, all the energy Fred Sanders Jul 2018 #19
I do recognize that it is difficult for bourgeois liberals to see so called "renewable energy..." NNadir Jul 2018 #20
Laos dam collapse: Many feared dead as floods hit villages hunter Jul 2018 #21
Improvement comes from criticism. JayhawkSD Jul 2018 #7
To the extent this displaces the typical Chinese coal fired power plant... hunter Jul 2018 #17
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