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Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
Tue Nov 3, 2015, 09:56 AM Nov 2015

An Organized Barbarity Called 'Demolishing Terrorists’ Homes' [View all]

Insisting on due process in cases of demolition of terrorists' houses obscures the fact that this practice has across-the-board support.

Hagai El-Ad Oct 29, 2015



The political and legal systems in Israel have in recent days been thrown into some turmoil by Supreme Court Justice Uzi Vogelman, who scheduled an emergency hearing on the demolition of the homes of the Palestinian families of the perpetrators of the attacks that killed Eitam and Naama Henkin, Malachi Rosenfeld and Danny Gonen – namely, the Hamed and Ghanem families from Silwad; the Kusa, Haj Hamad and Rizeq families from Nablus; and the Amar family from Qalandiyah – rather than sanctioning the demolitions without further ado.

The judge’s decision meant the demolitions were temporarily put off, thereby raising the ire of those who felt that the destruction of the Palestinian houses ought to have been carried out by now, and they voiced scathing criticism of the High Court of Justice.

Champions of the court leapt to its defense: While sharing the view that the demolitions are certainly merited, they firmly expressed their belief that such justice ought to be implemented only after a proper legal hearing. Truly, what would the civilized world come to if we don’t keep up such appearances?

While the two sides carry on battling one another – so-called extremists versus the law’s knights in shining armor – the heated debate conveniently obscures the fact that, ultimately, the organized barbarity called “demolishing terrorists’ homes” has across-the-board support among the Jewish population in Israel. This unanimity includes those who perceive themselves as soaring high up in the rarified plane of morality and justice: the justices of the High Court. Their rulings have enabled the demolition (or sealing) of over 1,600 Palestinian homes since 1987.

remainder: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.683167

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that's how people roll in the Middle East--collective punishment is the rule in that geek tragedy Nov 2015 #1
+1. Their neighbors leaders, yes. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2015 #3
Needless to say, homes of Jewish terrorists never get demolished. Little Tich Nov 2015 #4
I was just going to as the same thing. procon Nov 2015 #5
It is nothing less than old southern Klan bigotry in action. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #6
This is total BS oberliner Nov 2015 #11
Weird how this animates folks more than terror attacks against 80 year old women. n/t shira Nov 2015 #14
funny how some get more worked up over Facebook posts than collective punishment, geek tragedy Nov 2015 #16
How is it possible not to get worked up over UN employees inciting..... shira Nov 2015 #17
if you were a Palestinian living in Gaza, or the West Bank for that matter, geek tragedy Nov 2015 #18
This isn't about positive/negative views of Jews..... shira Nov 2015 #19
Do you consider calls for ethinc cleansing of Palestinians to be hateful incitement? nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #20
Do you? If so, calling for the ethnic cleansing of all Jews from the W.Bank & Gaza..... shira Nov 2015 #21
Well, you have posted articles explicitly calling for Arabs to be ethnicly cleansed, geek tragedy Nov 2015 #22
No I haven't. Read the article again. shira Nov 2015 #23
I did. Here, let me quote for you the hateful, genocidalist incitement you posted at DU geek tragedy Nov 2015 #24
You missed a few of my comments about not seeing page 2 of that article.... shira Nov 2015 #25
the article is published at a well-known Jewish hate site that reveres Meir Kahane nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #26
The writer of that article also wrote the following... shira Nov 2015 #27
So you're good with 2 states & Jews living as Palestinians within a future Palestine? shira Nov 2015 #112
Hmm. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #33
There is no parallel. Only the fringest of the fringe nuts in Israel.... shira Nov 2015 #35
See "The Nakba" you old historian, you. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #59
There was a war, you know. Israel did not start that.... shira Nov 2015 #68
Your lame excuses are laughable as always. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #82
War isn't a lame excuse. Name one in which there were no refugees. shira Nov 2015 #84
You always play the either or game: to your usual humiliation. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #101
Changing the topic in midstream b/c you're losing the argument.... shira Nov 2015 #106
AHAHAHAHAH! R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #109
Thank you for posting about these heroic incidents from our country's glorious past. Crunchy Frog Nov 2015 #38
What do you make of Hamas' genocidal intent & terror based on that intent? n/t shira Nov 2015 #69
I believe that you are being completely disingenuous. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #58
Are u more offended by Israel demolishing terrorists' homes in the W.Bank.... shira Nov 2015 #66
Are you more offended by chicken or roast beef, shira? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #85
Simple question - what do you fear by answering it? n/t shira Nov 2015 #86
I prefer fish, actually. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #103
Do you have something to hide by dodging the simplest questions? n/t shira Nov 2015 #108
I just find your "either or" questions rather sophomoric in nature and ridiculous overall. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #111
true, the purpose is more ethnic cleansing than per se apartheid geek tragedy Nov 2015 #15
Not even remotely oberliner Nov 2015 #28
are these the only home demolitions Israel conducts? nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #36
No oberliner Nov 2015 #46
Is East Jerusalem an unrecognized town? nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #53
No, East Jerusalem is part of the Occupied West Bank oberliner Nov 2015 #56
Having two different legal systems for civilians due to their ethnicity / nationality is one Little Tich Nov 2015 #30
Israel has the same legal system for all civilians oberliner Nov 2015 #32
Not for non-Israelis in the occupied territories. Little Tich Nov 2015 #37
Obviously oberliner Nov 2015 #45
The only places I know of with two separate legal systems for civilians are Little Tich Nov 2015 #51
England and Scotland have two different legal systems oberliner Nov 2015 #88
I think you're misunderstanding the issue on purpose. Little Tich Nov 2015 #104
... R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #117
That's not how it works in the United States. nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #61
Non-citizens do not have the same rights as citizens of the USA. n/t shira Nov 2015 #67
very few differences, assuming they're here legally nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #70
They don't have the same rights - and it's not apartheid. n/t shira Nov 2015 #71
They have the same rights if they're here legally. geek tragedy Nov 2015 #73
Over 10 million American citizens are denied voting rights & most are minorities.... shira Nov 2015 #76
That you compare how Israel treats all Palestinians to how the US treats convicted felons geek tragedy Nov 2015 #77
Just saying - if you think Israel is Apartheid, then America is moreso. shira Nov 2015 #78
the West Bank is an apartheid state, de facto geek tragedy Nov 2015 #79
If you say so.....then America is even more Apartheid. shira Nov 2015 #80
there is nothing in the United States remotely as hideously racist geek tragedy Nov 2015 #81
10 million Americans, most of whom are minorities, might disagree. shira Nov 2015 #83
oy. perhaps you don't realize how profoundly stupid your argument is. geek tragedy Nov 2015 #87
You're the one arguing apartheid when Palestinians have equal rights.... shira Nov 2015 #90
the west bank is an apartheid state. there are Jews-only roads, Jews-only towns, geek tragedy Nov 2015 #91
It's not apartheid - and there are no Jew-only roads.... shira Nov 2015 #92
Lol, Israeli-only roads that lead to Jews-only colonies inside the West Bank. nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #93
Palestinians live in the settlements too. shira Nov 2015 #94
Making shit up again? Please provide a link showing the % of the West Bank geek tragedy Nov 2015 #95
Dec. 2014: Leave or let live? Arabs move in to Jewish settlements shira Nov 2015 #96
So you consider Jerusalem a settlement rather than part of Israel proper? nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #97
Huh? Are they not settlements in your views? Reuters reports them as settlements. shira Nov 2015 #99
the apartheid roads in question are not between east and west jerusalem. pay attention nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #100
There are no apartheid roads. Did you know Israeli Arabs, not Jews.... shira Nov 2015 #105
That statement really brings out the Netanyahu R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #60
It's immoral whether they're citizens or not Solero Nov 2015 #52
Which offends you more? Terror attacks on random Jews or demolition of terrorists' homes? n/t shira Nov 2015 #72
I do declare, Mr. Oberliner, that your basless retort R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #57
Palestinians who are Israeli citizens aren't treated like Palestinians in the W.Bank.... shira Nov 2015 #74
The Bedouin are. God, you are fekking awful. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #102
The Bedouin would be the first to tell you they're not Palestinians. shira Nov 2015 #107
And yet they're supposedly Israeli citizens, and are treated as badly as Palestinians in the WB. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #110
Bedouin are treated badly by anti-Zionist BDS'ers who boycott them... shira Nov 2015 #113
BDS isn't stealing Bedouin land, Shria, but do go on with your phantoms... R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #114
Funny, the Bedouin diplomat doesn't agree with you at all... shira Nov 2015 #115
Nobody worth a damn buys what you're selling. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #116
Me neither ...nt. Israeli Nov 2015 #119
Israeli citizens vs. non-Israeli citizens oberliner Nov 2015 #10
I see, as long as it only involves discrimination against Palestinians, its perfectly fine? procon Nov 2015 #12
Didn't say it was fine oberliner Nov 2015 #29
Tell that to Bedouin of the Negev azurnoir Nov 2015 #42
The Bedouin of the Negev? oberliner Nov 2015 #44
and yet it shows my point the Bedouin as non-Jews have their homes demolished azurnoir Nov 2015 #48
Don't you jest love the easy hypocrisy R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #62
Wrong oberliner..... Israeli Nov 2015 #120
More like if we moved into Mexico, and burned out the houses of non-American Hispanics Crunchy Frog Nov 2015 #39
That sums it up in a nutshell. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #63
Perfect analogy Solero Nov 2015 #54
it's so horrible when something bad happens to terrorists 6chars Nov 2015 #75
yes, every criminal's mother should be forced to live on the street. As should his children and geek tragedy Nov 2015 #89
Oh please, just stop it. procon Nov 2015 #98
i just don't lose much sleep over this one 6chars Nov 2015 #118
why does Israel continue this practice after studies showed it did nothing azurnoir Nov 2015 #7
punishment is intended to satisfy society rather than deter criminals geek tragedy Nov 2015 #8
Deterence, or so they think..they're not interested in the consequences as Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #9
That's just it Israel's own studies show it doesn't work as a deterrence azurnoir Nov 2015 #41
What studies? oberliner Nov 2015 #47
An Israeli military committee I suppose we could quibble study but here's the link azurnoir Nov 2015 #49
I think the message has always been: submit, ya bastids! Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #50
Terrorism. procon Nov 2015 #13
Nothing that you've written here is true oberliner Nov 2015 #31
True, and I would not dispute that. procon Nov 2015 #34
Most likely true oberliner Nov 2015 #43
Unfortunately that might be the case Solero Nov 2015 #55
Do you ever get tired of using that "nothing line"? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #64
Good point oberliner Nov 2015 #65
Eh 6chars Nov 2015 #40
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