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shira

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Sun Nov 15, 2015, 11:17 AM Nov 2015

The Global Community Is to Blame for Palestinian Obstinance [View all]

The international community is disincentivizing the Palestinians from negotiating a two-state solution

Alan M. Dershowitz Nov 10, 2015 10:02 PM


Why should the Palestinian leadership make peace with Israel, when the international community seems willing to recognize a Palestinian state without requiring its leaders to make the kinds of compromises that are essential to a viable two-state solution?

The Israelis offered the Palestinians a generous two-state solution under the leadership of then-prime ministers Ehud Barak and Ehud Olmert. Now, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is urging them to sit down and begin unconditional negotiations. The Palestinian leadership have accepted none of these offers, because they foolishly believe they can get what they want without giving what they must.

The major fault for this impasse lies squarely on the shoulders of the international community, including the United Nations, the International Criminal Court, the International Court of Justice, the international media and many individual governments. They have led the Palestinian leadership to believe that if they can maintain the impasse with Israel by refusing to make the kinds of compromises required for a two-state solution, the international community would come to their rescue and impose such a solution on Israel.

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/peace/1.685309


Hating Dershowitz doesn't refute his argument which is pretty clear-cut.

All the Palestinians have to do is keep saying 'No' to every offer Israel makes. They'll get their state anyway from the International Community. Why negotiate anything - why make peace? There's no incentive.
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More from OP... shira Nov 2015 #1
good analysis 6chars Nov 2015 #2
The kind of compromises that would leave them with a bantustan..he left that part out. Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #3
He's actually a world famous lawyer King_David Nov 2015 #4
I know he has no respect for the law, you don't need to be a world famous lawyer to see through Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #5
Which has absolutely nothing to do with the OP King_David Nov 2015 #6
It speaks to his character, and if that doesn't bother you and Israel can't find Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #7
Doesn't surprise me either King_David Nov 2015 #8
Yea, I'm funny that way..no excuses for torture. Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #9
Another tangent.... King_David Nov 2015 #10
I addressed the OP, it's propaganda he peddles for Israel. Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #12
"he peddles for Israel" King_David Nov 2015 #14
Majority of what he says is all propaganda, yes. Just as the link supports. People tend to Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #15
He has no respect for the law? Shaktimaan Nov 2015 #40
Torture is illegal,period, has been for decades. He attempted to make the case from his perspective Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #41
So your argument... Shaktimaan Nov 2015 #42
Torture is illegal, period. Torture also doesn't give reliable intel and even if it did, it remains Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #44
yet... Shaktimaan Nov 2015 #45
I answered you, it is illegal and it doesn't work to ensure reliable intel. EVEN if it did, it is Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #46
You're incorrect on some of these points. Shaktimaan Nov 2015 #49
You're still confused, the CIA looks and hopes for a loop hole but that would never be upheld Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #51
IMHO, you are arguing with individuals who are R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2015 #55
incidentally... Shaktimaan Nov 2015 #47
No, it is not..that is what Dershowitz rested his premise on..IF we have a ticking time bomb, he Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #48
I assure you, I'm not confused. Shaktimaan Nov 2015 #50
You said it was legal under a ticking time bomb scenario..it is not. You're confused. Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #52
Your link regarding Israel's 1999 law is pretty clear. Shaktimaan Nov 2015 #53
That was in ISRAEL, not the US. Dershowitz was writing about the US. Jefferson23 Nov 2015 #54
Dershowitz is right on here leftynyc Nov 2015 #11
Suffer a little while longer, wait for the whole thing. That's the problem.... shira Nov 2015 #13
I agree with you leftynyc Nov 2015 #20
The two-state solution is over. Little Tich Nov 2015 #16
link? 6chars Nov 2015 #17
No link. This is merely my opinion. n/t Little Tich Nov 2015 #18
Two challenges to that opinion 6chars Nov 2015 #19
Actually, the Jewish neigbourhoods are the biggest obstacle, Little Tich Nov 2015 #23
Here's the map. Viable state... shira Nov 2015 #24
I don't get it. How would Jerusalem have been divided, and in what direction would it be able to Little Tich Nov 2015 #35
Arab neighborhoods in Jerusalem under PA control, Jewish ones under Israeli.... shira Nov 2015 #37
Have you been there? 6chars Nov 2015 #31
Are you good with maps? Little Tich Nov 2015 #34
No 2 state solution - no matter how favorable to the Palestinians - is possible..... shira Nov 2015 #38
You were never for 2 states, right? Also, the Clinton Parameters could be offered again.... shira Nov 2015 #21
I'm not the one-stater in this thread. Little Tich Nov 2015 #22
See map above. n/t shira Nov 2015 #25
Counter-question: DetlefK Nov 2015 #26
Israel has already offered the Palestinians their own state & peace many times.... shira Nov 2015 #27
Then I don't get what the israeli government is doing right now. DetlefK Nov 2015 #28
It's called land swaps, which the Palestinians have already agreed to. shira Nov 2015 #29
You make the same error of thinking over and over again. DetlefK Nov 2015 #30
I mention past history because it's directly relevant to the present.... shira Nov 2015 #33
Only a right wing government COULD do it. Shaktimaan Nov 2015 #43
ah the who's fault is it of the week........ last week it was antisemitic Palestinians azurnoir Nov 2015 #32
I think the Israel/Palestinian Conflict is more than just about land or religion. Tony_FLADEM Nov 2015 #36
That's not quite right. Shaktimaan Nov 2015 #39
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