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Little Tich

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84. I think Israel should be judged by its most discriminatory laws, or perhaps the sum of them.
Sun Dec 27, 2015, 02:01 AM
Dec 2015

It's not useful to bring up the least discriminatory law on the Adalah list and refuting its presence on that list. Either way, I prefer to use the American legal system as a comparison, and if a law would be considered discriminatory in the US, it should be considered iscriminatory in Israel too. Not a single one of those laws on the Adalah list would be OK in the US.

For example, the laws as described in the MW article just wouldn't be possible to pass in the US:

1. 1950 law about confiscation of Absentee Landlord Property. This law defines persons who were expelled, fled, or who left the country after November 29, 1947 as “absentee.” Property belonging to “absentees” was placed under the control of the State of Israel with the Custodian for Absentees’ Property. The Absentee Property Law was the main legal instrument used by Israel to take possession of the land belonging to the internal and external Palestinian refugees, and Muslim Waqf properties across the state. This law continues to be used to this day by quasi-governmental agencies in Israel to take over Palestinian properties in East Jerusalem, for example.

2. 1950 Law of Return. This allows every Jewish person to immigrate to Israel and this extends to the children and grandchildren of Jews, as well as their spouses, and the spouses of their children and grandchildren. The flip side of this is that the rights of Palestinians and others to enter the state and become citizens, even if they were born in the area that is now the State of Israel, are extremely restrictive. This discrimination against the non-Jewish minority has been periodically reinforced. For example, the ban on family unification law of 2003 prohibits citizens of Israel from reuniting with Palestinian spouses living in the West Bank or Gaza.

3. In 1952 the state authorized the World Zionist Organization, the Jewish Agency, and other Zionist bodies founded at the turn of the 20th century to function in Israel as quasi-governmental entities in order to further advance the goals of the Zionist movement, to the detriment of minorities.

4. The Land Acquisition Law of 1953 transferred the land of 349 Arab towns and villages—approximately 1.2 million dunams in all (~468 square miles)—to the state to be used preferentially for the Jewish majority.

5. In 1953, the Knesset bestowed governmental authorities on the Jewish National Fund (JNF or Keren Kayemeth LeIsrael) to purchase land for exclusively Jewish use. The state granted financial advantages, including tax relief to facilitate such purchases.

6. In 1960, the state passed a law which stipulates that the ownership of “Israel lands”—namely the 93% of land under the control of the state, the Jewish National Fund, and the Development Authority—cannot be transferred in any manner.


Read more: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/06/database-discriminatory-israel

These are some of the most important laws that make Israel into a bottom-rung racist democracy. Thye're old, but they're still in effect and consist the cornerstone of Israel's racist policies. The current trend in Israel is to strenghten the discriminatory practices against non-Jewish Israelis, and I personally think the coming of the Israeli Apartheid state is just a matter of time.

BTW, I've read the paper you refer to before. An ethnic democracy like Israel is a step backwards, away from democracy, as ethnicity decides your individual democratic rights. Jewish and Democratic are two mutually exclusive values, and the strenghtening of one weakens the other. While I agree with the conclusion that an "ethnic democracy" like Israel is viable, I personally can't see why racism is a good thing. The paper even gives voice to my own misgivings:

Nevertheless, Arab civil liberties are not adequately protected in Israel for four reasons. First and foremost, in the absence of a constitution or a bill of rights with a superior standing over other laws, Arabs lack an independent legal base to fight unfair treatment. Second, so long as Israel has not reached a comprehensive peace settlement with the Arab world, it is legally in a permanent state of emergency, and the Emergency Regulations are still in effect. Since the Arabs are officially considered a security risk, these regulations operate mostly against them. Third, the present implementation of the Jewish-Zionist character of the state contains certain discriminations against Arabs. Finally, Jewish public opinion not only condones constraints imposed on Arabs, but also endorses preferential treatment of Jews. Each one of these factors, let alone the special effect of their combination, is sufficient to downgrade Arabs to a status of second-class citizens.

(Sammy Smooha, Ethnic Democracy: Israel as an Archetype. Israel Studies, Wolume 2, Number 2, p216)
Read more: http://img2.timg.co.il/communafiles/32398285.pdf
Sadly more... R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #1
Why would Muslims want to immigrate to Israel? oberliner Dec 2015 #3
Oh, a lot of Palestinians who are muslim would like to return after being kicked out in 47-48. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #5
Anyone who was kicked out during those years ought to be able to do so oberliner Dec 2015 #14
And their progeny. After all the expulsion is still an expulsion for all of them, right? R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #16
They ought to be granted automatic citizenship in the newly created Palestinian state oberliner Dec 2015 #18
Why not let them return to their homes and villages. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #20
You asked about people who never had homes or villages there oberliner Dec 2015 #21
If a Jew, anywhere in the world, has a right of return... R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #25
Except that there is no Jewish Right of Return aranthus Dec 2015 #38
Well, your point is semantic BS, and Israel has no right to R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #39
It's not semantics at all. aranthus Dec 2015 #42
You just described apartheid. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #43
Obviously, you only know the Leftist definition of apartheid and not the real world one. aranthus Dec 2015 #44
Your words do it for you. Perhaps you should read them before R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #47
So back up your claim, or fold. n/t shira Dec 2015 #54
I don't take requests from dubious individuals. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #56
Clearly he can't n/t aranthus Dec 2015 #63
Seems all supporters of Israel are dubious individuals unworthy of rational discourse. shira Dec 2015 #64
No, shira. Just some. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #69
Why? Shaktimaan Dec 2015 #71
Well, shak. It has something to do with a matter you don't undetstand. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #73
Is it really about human rights? Shaktimaan Dec 2015 #74
In a fully democratic country, rights are granted without regards to ethnicity. Little Tich Dec 2015 #80
Are they? Shaktimaan Dec 2015 #81
Some Jews claim that their link to the land of Israel goes back a long time, way before 1948. Little Tich Dec 2015 #82
I'm familiar with Adalah. Shaktimaan Dec 2015 #83
I think Israel should be judged by its most discriminatory laws, or perhaps the sum of them. Little Tich Dec 2015 #84
what does "humanely criminal" mean? Shaktimaan Dec 2015 #72
so then... Shaktimaan Dec 2015 #75
Have you not read the antisemitic filth about Jewish bloodlines, posted here ? King_David Dec 2015 #34
It's genetics, dave. Everybody has genes. Genes tell where your ancestors came from... R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #35
So Ashkenasi have no claim to Israel based on genetics, is that right? n/t shira Dec 2015 #36
I'm sorry that you aren't able to follow a simple conversation. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #40
Most Middle Eastern countries ban Israelis from even setting foot in them oberliner Dec 2015 #2
So you're suggesting that ahem...Democratic Israel is as bad as some right wing theocratic kingdoms? R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #4
Israel has a different relationship with many Muslim countries than the US does oberliner Dec 2015 #13
"Similarly, with respect to immigration, Israel has explicitly from its creation been defined R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #15
It was a state created to counter world-wide anti-semitism oberliner Dec 2015 #19
"It was a state created to counter world-wide anti-semitism..." R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #22
That's not true oberliner Dec 2015 #24
Bullshit. Israel has no right to keep a population R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #26
not all were expelled sabbat hunter Dec 2015 #65
Please keep up with the hasbara BS. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #66
Where did you get those figures from? Little Tich Dec 2015 #67
From esteemed historian sabbat hunter Dec 2015 #68
Oh really? Shaktimaan Dec 2015 #77
Those countries used to extend that ban to all Jews King_David Dec 2015 #6
Recently Trump was accused of being a bigot antisemite King_David Dec 2015 #7
You must be reeeeeeeeeely nervous, dave. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #8
Bernie Sanders receives praise in the article azurnoir Dec 2015 #9
Mondoweiss King_David Dec 2015 #10
I addressed all of those in the post you're replying to azurnoir Dec 2015 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author King_David Dec 2015 #31
Here's a good article on the topic: King_David Dec 2015 #11
you keep posting the same Tikkun link as though it's new the one Rabbi Lerner refuted azurnoir Dec 2015 #12
Exposing Antisemitism? Same as exposing homophobia.... King_David Dec 2015 #17
Have you ever lifted a finger to expose corrupt zionism, dave? R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #23
Could you please stop with the stalking ??, King_David Dec 2015 #27
Could you please stop with the untruths? R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #30
Yeah Dave... Shaktimaan Dec 2015 #78
Yep King_David Dec 2015 #79
except Rabbi Lerner didn't feel that MondoWeiss is antisemitic azurnoir Dec 2015 #29
Except Netanyahu basically turned Trump away 6chars Dec 2015 #32
Netanyahu is to the Left of the entire BDS antiZionist movement. shira Dec 2015 #33
Only a moron would believe that Netanbooboo is to the left of anything. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #37
Neither Netanyahu or Israel bans Muslim immigration. shira Dec 2015 #46
You've established nothing credible. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #48
Like I wrote, I know & you know you can't name even 1 well known anti-Zio BDS-hole..... shira Dec 2015 #50
Word salad? No thanks. I'm full. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #51
Pretty sad you can't name any well known BDS'ers to the Left of Bibi. n/t shira Dec 2015 #52
... R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #57
trump canceled the trip azurnoir Dec 2015 #41
Trump is no more racist than any anti-Zionist BDS-hole... shira Dec 2015 #45
If you say so... R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #49
I do say so - and it's indisputable as evidenced by your response. n/t shira Dec 2015 #53
Whatever you say... R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #58
Yargargarbleyarghargh! Scootaloo Dec 2015 #76
Trump got faked to his left flank. nilesobek Dec 2015 #55
Trump is an anti-semite as well as a follower of other forms of racism. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #59
eDid you read the article, or are you just reacting? R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #60
No, I have been following with the biggoted anti-semite racist has done. Agnosticsherbet Dec 2015 #61
Assumptions are not a reach for those R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2015 #62
This isn't remotely true, however. Shaktimaan Dec 2015 #70
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