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polly7

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47. Everyone is wrong but you, of course they're all lying or just ignorant.
Mon Nov 19, 2012, 12:37 PM
Nov 2012

Last edited Mon Nov 19, 2012, 02:38 PM - Edit history (2)

I'm sorry, but there's been too much recorded and written by Israeli's themselves to ignore the truth of what people like Chomsky, or Carter or anyone else who's extensively studied the suffering of Palestinians have to say.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/the-war-s-seventh-day-1.51513

Michael Ben-Yair - former Attorney General of Israel

The Six-Day War was forced upon us; however, the war's seventh day, which began on June 12, 1967 and has continued to this day, is the product of our choice. We enthusiastically chose to become a colonial society, ignoring international treaties, expropriating lands, transferring settlers from Israel to the occupied territories, engaging in theft and finding justification for all these activities. Passionately desiring to keep the occupied territories, we developed two judicial systems: one - progressive, liberal - in Israel; and the other - cruel, injurious - in the occupied territories. In effect, we established an apartheid regime in the occupied territories immediately following their capture. That oppressive regime exists to this day.


This is the background of the difficult testimony we have received about actions of Israel Defense Forces personnel in the occupied territories. No need to repeat the details of the painful phenomena entailed in the occupation regime and in our battle to prolong it. Suffice it to recall the killing of little children fleeing for safety; the executions, without trial, of wanted persons who were not on their way to launch a terrorist act; and the encirclements, closures and roadblocks that have turned the lives of millions into a nightmare. Even if all these actions stem from our need to defend ourselves under an occupation's conditions, the occupation's non-existence would render them unnecessary. Thus, a black flag hovers over these actions.

This is a harsh reality that is causing us to lose the moral base of our existence as a free, just society and to jeopardize Israel's long-range survival. Israel's security cannot be based only on the sword; it must rather be based on our principles of moral justice and on peace with our neighbors - those living next door and those living a little further away. An occupation regime undermines those principles of moral justice and prevents the attainment of peace. Thus, that regime endangers Israel's existence.


If Israel landed 150 airstrikes and 85 missiles - "at least 21 Palestinians have died"? At least. leveymg Nov 2012 #1
I'm wanting to know when the rest of the world is going to get sick of this shit teddy51 Nov 2012 #2
Like what? oberliner Nov 2012 #7
OMG libodem Nov 2012 #3
Yes, it's such an awful, helpless feeling watching this. polly7 Nov 2012 #5
Mans inhumanity to man libodem Nov 2012 #6
Do you really believe the things you are writing? oberliner Nov 2012 #8
Yeah, or I wouldn't write it. polly7 Nov 2012 #10
It's hard to fathom oberliner Nov 2012 #20
What's hard to fathom? polly7 Nov 2012 #21
Try to seek out additional sources as well oberliner Nov 2012 #9
Have you seen many neutral journalists on this issue? hrmjustin Nov 2012 #11
Fair point oberliner Nov 2012 #16
I can see your problem with him, he's Palestinian. polly7 Nov 2012 #12
I knew the name was familiar azurnoir Nov 2012 #13
Thank you for highlighting that oberliner Nov 2012 #15
Or course the Israel Gov. Press Office would say it was without foundation. polly7 Nov 2012 #19
There are lots of neutral Palestinian and Israeli journalists oberliner Nov 2012 #14
Try telling someone else what to read, polly7 Nov 2012 #17
I'm not giving any orders oberliner Nov 2012 #18
Wrong. polly7 Nov 2012 #22
It's a suggestion oberliner Nov 2012 #23
And? polly7 Nov 2012 #24
Alrighty then oberliner Nov 2012 #25
Blah, blah, blah. polly7 Nov 2012 #26
Hopefully others reading this exchange will disagree oberliner Nov 2012 #28
Because it's all about trying to distract from the real horrors. Exactly. polly7 Nov 2012 #29
"decorated journalist"? holdencaufield Nov 2012 #30
Pardon me. An 'award winning journalist'. polly7 Nov 2012 #32
Helen Thomas was an "award winning journalist" ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #34
No clue. polly7 Nov 2012 #39
Nah ... I'm already married holdencaufield Nov 2012 #40
And pray for both sides to have wisdom libodem Nov 2012 #4
Didn't you claim to be an athiest in a previous thread? holdencaufield Nov 2012 #31
If you're going to attack people on their beliefs, at least try to get what they've said straight. polly7 Nov 2012 #35
I don't attack anyone ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #36
Yes you did. polly7 Nov 2012 #38
If that is your idea of an attack ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #41
And I laugh at your dishonesty. nt. polly7 Nov 2012 #42
Good ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #44
More collective punishment from thieves. Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #27
What land are you speaking of? holdencaufield Nov 2012 #33
For Israel, imperialism isn’t enough polly7 Nov 2012 #37
Confused Definitions holdencaufield Nov 2012 #43
The NEVER-ENDING theft of Palestinian land that has herded / transferred over a million and a polly7 Nov 2012 #45
Mr Chomsky ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #46
Everyone is wrong but you, of course they're all lying or just ignorant. polly7 Nov 2012 #47
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