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Violet_Crumble

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68. All I've seen so far is yr opinion, based on the opinions of zealoted American 'pro-Israel' groups..
Sat Jan 28, 2012, 05:16 AM
Jan 2012

I'm strongly suggesting to you that you need to read some books on Palestinian society, because it's a rich and complex one full of many positives, and anyone who paints it as a bunch of antisemitic maniacs who are akin to the Nazis has no knowledge of what they're talking about...

It's inteersting that you bring up the subject of firing people for bigoted views. I don't recall that the Israeli government ever fired the guy they sent over here as ambassador, who promptly engaged in a speech ranting about how Israelis and Australians were 'white people' and should fight against those damn Asians

No, what you don't seem to be grasping is that quite a few of those 'pro-Israeli' sites you cite are bigots themselves. Look at Barry Rubin, who's clearly an anti-Muslim bigot, and the article you posted here that contained obvious anti-Muslim sentiment. They can go for their lives shovelling out supposed 'evidence' of what a society is, but the problem is the same as when it's done to Israelis - it's very easy to engage in selective blindness and take one specific thing and build it up into a mountain where it becomes the entire society....

As to yr last paragraph, hypocrisy is when someone repeatedly posts articles from anti-Muslim bigots and when asked about it claims something along the lines of they're not reading them for the stuff they don't agree with, but for that last two sentences in the fourth paragraph. Given that you do tend to fling around accusations of antisemitism as though there's a dollar earned for each one, and good folk such as that Arab/American comedian who's name escapes me, a Holocaust survivor, and Robert Malley from International Crisis Group have all been labelled as people engaging in antisemitism (notably with no explanation as to why in each case), it's a whole different ballgame when it comes to anti-Muslim bigotry. Then the net becomes so narrow that it's only if Robert Spencer at Jihadwatch says something along the lines of 'all Muslims must die' that it qualifies as bigotry....

Debating? All I'm interested in doing is supplying anyone who reads this exchange with actual information about Palestinian society, as opposed to the 'they're murderous antisemitic Nazis!' crap. And for anyone onlookers, one book I'd strongly recommend to give some background and depth is Baruch Kimmerling's 'The Palestinian People: A History' as a good starting point. Of course, there's those who prefer their visions of Palestinians in that one-dimensional Romney way, and for those folk, there's no point reading anything....

The Palestinian children – alone and bewildered – in Israel's Al Jalame jail Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #1
Shackled, and this from the beacon of democracy in the ME. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #3
Guardian Report Misses the Real Child Abuse – 2 shira Jan 2012 #4
Documentation goes back many years. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #6
Yeah, but that's all been trumped by the compelling arguments put forward.... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #7
You're missing the point. The source for these questionable claims is an organization... shira Jan 2012 #8
Nah, that'd fall under point #2.... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #11
So you have no problem with known terrorists sitting on the board... shira Jan 2012 #15
Yr insisting that the claims of mistreatment of children aren't true. Try supporting that argument.. Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #16
Not at all. The real issue here is the propping up of fake human rights organizations... shira Jan 2012 #20
The Israeli government saw it that way..no other human rights group agreed. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #21
So Jabarin is a former Jew hater who has renounced his antisemitism... shira Jan 2012 #23
You prefer to write your questions in the affirmative as if the charge Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #25
There's no question Jabarin once headed the PFLP.... shira Jan 2012 #30
What you ignore is the pertinent information about the Israeli Court. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #37
Jabarin's organization is quoted as stating terror (resistance) is legitimate under Int'l Law... shira Jan 2012 #38
Again you presume he was found guilty Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #39
No, I'm now going only by that quote that legitimizes terror... shira Jan 2012 #40
What quote? n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #41
Here it is... shira Jan 2012 #46
Seriously, read your own material closer next time. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #47
It's not just that quote. Jabarin's Al-Haq rarely condemns terror attacks on Israeli civilians... shira Jan 2012 #50
You're a regualar riot Alice. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #51
So despite the above, you really believe shira Jan 2012 #52
I don't expect you to do anything but adhere to the Israeli government line. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #53
So you can't defend Jabarin for his inhumane worldview... shira Jan 2012 #54
He doesn't have an inhumane worldview, Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #55
Right. It's humane to look the other way and virtually ignore... shira Jan 2012 #56
I get it, you hate them..ALL of the human rights groups. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #57
No, I get that you have little regard for human rights... shira Jan 2012 #58
You do have respect for those human rights group? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #59
Respect for human rights in general is not the same as respect... shira Jan 2012 #60
All those human rights groups you hate have an excellent Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #61
Wow, I was right. You can't even criticize the UNHRC... shira Jan 2012 #62
Do you EVER read what you post? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #63
Oh, the main concern for you is not that other nations are ignored by the UNHRC... shira Jan 2012 #64
No. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #65
So you don't believe Annan and Ban WRT the UNHRC focusing on Israel.... shira Jan 2012 #66
It may be lost to you that Obama does not hold the view you do Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #67
You're still ignoring the obvious.....why? I'll remind you again... shira Jan 2012 #69
I already addressed Ki-moon's statements..you don't like what I said, too bad. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #70
You ignored both Annan and Moon... shira Jan 2012 #71
I answered your questions shira, you don't agree with what Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #72
You answered with more obfuscation. That doesn't equate to answering direct... shira Jan 2012 #73
shira the document you claim AI has removed (huge link)is easily availible on their website azurnoir Jan 2012 #74
Oh good! I googled the quote and only found it in PDF form with a quick view option... shira Jan 2012 #75
really you need to read what AI said azurnoir Jan 2012 #76
No, the real issue here is the mistreatment of Palestinian children in Israeli prisons... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #27
When apologists for Jew hating murderers claim anything against Israel, it's suspect... shira Jan 2012 #31
So you don't actually have anything at all to back up yr claims that kids aren't being mistreated... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #34
There is a simple test to determine if you're a humanitarian racist, don't ya know this Violet? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #10
OMG. I thought that was some sort of parody when I first read it.... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #13
I found his question so up in the air, for one..he doesn't Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #18
What's wrong with the 3rd question? shira Jan 2012 #14
It's engaging in negative stereotyping of an entire people, that's what's wrong with it... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #17
That third question isn't negative stereotyping an entire people... shira Jan 2012 #19
Yes, it is. It would be if it was aimed at Israelis, and it's the same when aimed at Palestinians... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #28
The PLO says resistance (the murdering of Jews) is legitimate... shira Jan 2012 #33
Complete and utter bullshit. The PLO does NOT say the murdering of Jews is legitimate.... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #35
Yeah, actually they do. They just call it legitimate "resistance" instead of... shira Jan 2012 #36
No, actually they don't say it at all. You falsely claim they say it... Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #48
How many examples do you require in order to see that they really do say it? shira Jan 2012 #49
All I've seen so far is yr opinion, based on the opinions of zealoted American 'pro-Israel' groups.. Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #68
Where and how often have you exposed the profoundly murderous ( Islamaphobic) worldview Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #22
That's a moronic comparison. You don't think there's a significant.... shira Jan 2012 #24
Your response is very interesting and likely explains why you posted the OP in the first place. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #26
Yep. The double standards are mind boggling n/t Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #29
So you're denying murderous antisemitism is a significant problem in the Palestinian territories? shira Jan 2012 #32
Guardian's Israel correspondent promotes agenda of radical anti-Israel NGO shira Jan 2012 #5
+1. bemildred Jan 2012 #2
seems Palestinian children are less so tha others to some here azurnoir Jan 2012 #9
Cell 36: Palestinian children locked in solitary confinement in Israel - video Violet_Crumble Jan 2012 #12
15 Jan. '12: Judge holds confession of Palestinian minor admissible, although it was obtained Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #42
so confessions 'coerced ' from Palestinian minors (chilldren) are okay in Israel azurnoir Jan 2012 #43
It's all blown out of proportion...don't you realize this?? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #44
short answer nobody long answer azurnoir Jan 2012 #45
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