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In reply to the discussion: Abbas rejects Egyptian offer to settle refugees in Sinai [View all]Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)72. Just a moment...
I've actually always been pro-palestinian, thus concerned for their welfare. If you'd read more of my posts you'd know that.
You mean like how you never compared their ethnic cleansing to "affirmative action," Shaktimaan? Frankly you care about Palestinians the same way pat Robertson cares about gay people. "I love them in my heart, but lord almighty they need to knuckle down and livetheir lives exactly as I demand!"
However, I am also concerned with the well being of the Israelis, thus I've always supported any plan that offered both groups their greatest chances for peace and success.
No you're not. At least, you've never demonstrated that claim around here. Rather, you show concern with the well-being of Israel, the state and government, and with Zionism, the philosophy behind it, while the people can go hang. What's a few more dead Jews to someone who regards them as currency? Don't believe me? Right now Israel is using three dead boys' lives to "purchase" land in the west bank. After having similarly used their corpses as trade to justify slaughtering 2,100 Gazans.
Where's your outrage at either offense? I saw nothing but hearty support of the latter from you, and haven't seen any complaint over the former - I am left to conclude that much like the state of israel, you value Israeli lives - and Jewish lives in general - only so far as you can exploit them, dead or alive, to further the aims of the "project."
Seeing as how offering full immigration to the refugee population would be massively complex and dangerous for both parties,
No, it really wouldn't be. Unless you're going to tell me that Israel doesn't know how to process immigrants?
while denying both their rights to self-determination
Nice turn of phrase. Not dissimilar from the Republican support for the "traditional family." Who would oppose that?it's tradition! it's families! How heartwarming! of course in reality it means a patriarchal system where the man has the right to beat his wife and children, where only straight men and straight women may be involved, and often only those who adhere to christianity. Rather frightful, these 'traditional families."
So to with your "self-determination" statement. It sounds warm and fuzzy, but what you really mean is, "Israeli Jews' right to maintain ethnic dominance achieved through the brutal crime against humanity perpetrated against Arabs at the establishment of their state." A crime against humanity which, by necessity, striped and abused the Palestinians of their right to self-determination... a maneuver which again, you have shown nothing but the most eager support for.
And as we see at the end part of your post, you only support Palestinian self-determination,m when it's Israelis determining for them.
As has everyone else whose desire to see the Palestinians succeed outweighs their bloodlust at the thought of Israel failing. It creates new problems without solving any old ones.
Netanyahu wishes to see the Palestinians succeed? Naftali bennett? Avi Lieberman? Charles Krauthammer? The Americna political establishment? They all have a really funny way of expressing that desire, don't they?
You clearly fall into the latter camp though. You seem happy to use the Palestinians as pawns and cannon fodder in your single-minded desire to see Israel falter.
This idea that rectifying the ethnic cleansing you regard as holy - the Nakba - would "destroy Israel" exists solely within the minds of genocidal perverts who endorse the ethnic cleansing in the first place. All of youare utterly unable to articulate how this would cause Israel to fail, how it would "destroy Israel." There's no rhyme or logic to it, because your position is based on ETHNIC SUPREMACISM. You're not afraid of Israel "failing." you're simply afraid that the privileged and abusive position your ethnic group enjoys over another might change.
Regarding real-politick, since it's obvious that Israel would never agree to terms that aid in its own destruction, the ROR is a nonstarter.
It's Right of Return, Shaktimaan. It's like 'A Tribe Called Qwest,' you say the whole thang. And as just covered, there's no thought or reason why in the world it would "destroy" Israel. They're Arabs, Shaktiman. Not antimatter.
Yet you seem fixated in it as the only solution you'll consider. Even though that's the same strategy that's left the refugees languishing in camps for the past 60 years.
Actually that would be the Israeli policy of maintaining their exile in order to preserve the ethnic dominance Israeli Jews won through their mass murder, purges, and driving forth of the Palestinians. Year after year after year after year of refusal to let these people return is why they are refugees. Could have been solved in 1950. Israel didn't want to. 1951? Israel didn't want to. 1952? Israel didn't want to. 1953? Israel didn't want to. 1954? Israel didn't want to. 1955? Israel didn't want to. 1956? Israel didn't want to. All the way to 2014, Israel doesn't want to.
Again, this sure seems an odd way of expressing desire for the Palestinians to "succeed."
Why should other states pay for Israel's refusal to adopt your plan? Because it would be in the best interests of the Palestinians, obviously. A reason so alien to you that you needed it explained by a Zionist.
The Palestinians themselves seem to disagree. Heartily. I'm inclined to see their beliefs as to what's in their best interest, over th statements of someone who supports the perpetration of ethnic cleansing and mass murder against them.
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What's best for the Palestinian people is not to give in to Israeli ethinic cleansing.
BillZBubb
Sep 2014
#4
It's not ethnic cleansing if they annex land from Egypt and move their people from
Calista241
Sep 2014
#5
I notice you didn't give your "lol" to hack89, who first brought up the phrase
Scootaloo
Sep 2014
#12
Jews, Dave. Israel is a racial supremacist state that places Jews as superior to all others.
Scootaloo
Sep 2014
#21
If I said "ethnic supremacism," what about the statement would change? Nothing, it's semantic.
Scootaloo
Sep 2014
#23
It's strange that the King would now try and argue that there is no race.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Sep 2014
#41
Strange to see cheerleading for the abuse and oppression of others in the same context, too
Scootaloo
Sep 2014
#29
I'll bet if you went with just "autoerotic asphyxiation' you'd get some REALLY weird ones
Scootaloo
Sep 2014
#87
Yea, and what does it say..after Robin Williams. You do understand that when you receive one
Jefferson23
Sep 2014
#80
The exact same wording is found on other sites, heres a better illustration :
King_David
Sep 2014
#82
A better illustration of what? That Israel has a racism problem? I would appreciate
Jefferson23
Sep 2014
#83
You present an illustration of Robin Williams and David Duke on one, followed by a list
Jefferson23
Sep 2014
#85
Did you mean to illustrate one like this from Harretz using that language to describe the issue?
Jefferson23
Sep 2014
#89
well seeing as how you apparently think the Sinai is so desirable why not settle
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#16
well Israel seems friendly enough with Sisi perhaps a deal could be worked out
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#58
well the one I've heard about was 3 years and the US has rejected it because it's 'unilateral'
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#37