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Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)
95. RoR and Jerusalem...
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 01:57 AM
Sep 2014

Were supposedly the reasons Arafat abandoned the 2000 talks. Both carry equal weight IMO.

You want to know my personal views on EJ? Ok... I think that it should be a shared capital, with a clear division between sovereignty for each state. Ideally, I'd like to see Israel retain control of the old city, including the al aqsa mosque, while Palestine gets the rest. The only reason I'd prefer Israel to control the old city is bc it's only been under Israeli control that all three religions have had open access to the plethora of religious sites there. I'd like to see the mosque complex continue to be administered by a waqf to mitigate inter-religious strife as much as possible. Both sides of Jerusalem could then officially be granted capital status by the international community allowing both Israelis and Palestinians to share a city for diplomatic purposes; granting free access to both sides for diplomats, while encouraging dialogue between them and the greater diplomatic world at large.

So... What do you think?

Problem: That would condone the land-theft of Israel. DetlefK Sep 2014 #1
So basically the Palestinian people should suffer in refugee camps Calista241 Sep 2014 #2
What's best for the Palestinian people is not to give in to Israeli ethinic cleansing. BillZBubb Sep 2014 #4
It's not ethnic cleansing if they annex land from Egypt and move their people from Calista241 Sep 2014 #5
Really? Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #50
No, Israel should stop being allowed to R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2014 #7
Naturally, there would have to be security guarantees on both sides. Calista241 Sep 2014 #14
Yes, I see your failure as well. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2014 #40
Actually it is a solution. Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #43
Is that what you would consider Israel's final solution? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2014 #45
Final solution? Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #47
"Actually this isn't a solution to any of Israel's problems." R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2014 #48
Really? Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #49
Please stop feigning ignorance. I'm embarrassed for you for trying. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2014 #53
You don't seem embarrassed. Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #56
:)..... Israeli Sep 2014 #65
Post removed Post removed Sep 2014 #90
Of course. Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #51
That's exactly it. That's the anti-Zionist movement in a nutshell... shira Sep 2014 #99
The refugees have to go somewhere hack89 Sep 2014 #3
Never is a long time. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2014 #8
Israel is not going to commit national suicide hack89 Sep 2014 #9
Israel has already committed national suicide Scootaloo Sep 2014 #10
Israel is doomed! DOOMED!! Calista241 Sep 2014 #11
I notice you didn't give your "lol" to hack89, who first brought up the phrase Scootaloo Sep 2014 #12
So basically, you think that because Israel is a Jewish state Calista241 Sep 2014 #13
That holds no resemblance to anything I said Scootaloo Sep 2014 #15
"Racial supremism " what race ? King_David Sep 2014 #20
Jews, Dave. Israel is a racial supremacist state that places Jews as superior to all others. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #21
Spare you the argument cos it doesn't fit your narrative ? King_David Sep 2014 #22
If I said "ethnic supremacism," what about the statement would change? Nothing, it's semantic. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #23
Bye King_David Sep 2014 #26
No, you just embrace and support it Scootaloo Sep 2014 #28
Yes, we understand. You would lose the argument if you tried. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2014 #42
Nope. Same statement essentially. Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #57
"because Shaktimaan says so" isn't a valid counter argument Scootaloo Sep 2014 #62
"Israel is a racial supremacist state " King_David Sep 2014 #35
A fundamental understanding of the English language Scootaloo Sep 2014 #63
It's strange that the King would now try and argue that there is no race. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2014 #41
That's called "wishful thinking" King_David Sep 2014 #18
Their social issues are certainly bigger than their military issues... shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #70
Time will tell hack89 Sep 2014 #19
Well, you're heavily invested in a racist narrative. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #24
ok nt hack89 Sep 2014 #25
Strange to see such arguments as those above King_David Sep 2014 #27
Strange to see cheerleading for the abuse and oppression of others in the same context, too Scootaloo Sep 2014 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author King_David Sep 2014 #31
Google the term "Jewish Supremism" King_David Sep 2014 #32
It's super-cute how you keep doing that... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #61
OMG , I never understood your post, so I had to google it. King_David Sep 2014 #76
You're really stretching. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #77
No swimming King_David Sep 2014 #81
I'll bet if you went with just "autoerotic asphyxiation' you'd get some REALLY weird ones Scootaloo Sep 2014 #87
Robin Williams is about hate sites? What are trying to do here? n/t Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #78
2nd on list King_David Sep 2014 #79
Yea, and what does it say..after Robin Williams. You do understand that when you receive one Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #80
The exact same wording is found on other sites, heres a better illustration : King_David Sep 2014 #82
A better illustration of what? That Israel has a racism problem? I would appreciate Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #83
I gave you a better illustration here, King_David Sep 2014 #84
You present an illustration of Robin Williams and David Duke on one, followed by a list Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #85
This message was self-deleted by its author King_David Sep 2014 #86
Did you mean to illustrate one like this from Harretz using that language to describe the issue? Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #89
Permanent occupation of the West Bank is suicide. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #91
Which is why Israel must withdraw hack89 Sep 2014 #92
If Israel were to get itself out of the WB the RoR would be dealt with geek tragedy Sep 2014 #93
I doubt Hamas will see it that way hack89 Sep 2014 #94
So. Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #52
No. R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2014 #54
Huh? Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #55
Funny... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #64
Well Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #67
" Regarding real-politick " ... Israeli Sep 2014 #68
RoR and Jerusalem... Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #95
They dont carry " equal weight " ... Israeli Sep 2014 #96
Just a moment... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #72
I'll answer this. Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #97
Fun one! Shaktimaan Sep 2014 #100
Good for him. n/t Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #6
well seeing as how you apparently think the Sinai is so desirable why not settle azurnoir Sep 2014 #16
Don't ask embarrassing questions! nt BillZBubb Sep 2014 #17
I think it's contiguous with Gaza not Israel King_David Sep 2014 #30
well here's a map to show just what contiguous is more contiguous with what azurnoir Sep 2014 #34
Not so Nice map - doesn't include Gaza or WB King_David Sep 2014 #36
"I think it's contiguous with Gaza not Israel" R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2014 #44
Took you over an hour to recognize that fact? azurnoir Sep 2014 #59
Your map has no Gaza , no WB , no Palestine. King_David Sep 2014 #39
seems it took more than an hour to recognize that fact azurnoir Sep 2014 #60
Because technically the Sinai is Egyptian property. Calista241 Sep 2014 #46
well Israel seems friendly enough with Sisi perhaps a deal could be worked out azurnoir Sep 2014 #58
Probably not. The Sinai borders up next to the Suez Canal Calista241 Sep 2014 #71
ah I see but Sisi wants how many million Palestinians plopped into Sinai? azurnoir Sep 2014 #74
the Sinai does not belong to us azurnoir.... Israeli Sep 2014 #66
I thought that I read recently sadoldgirl Sep 2014 #33
well the one I've heard about was 3 years and the US has rejected it because it's 'unilateral' azurnoir Sep 2014 #37
Is it for the US to reject it? sadoldgirl Sep 2014 #38
What would they have done with the Egyptians in Rafah? shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #69
Like other countries, I would imagine they'd be given a choice. Calista241 Sep 2014 #73
the scots are being given a choice shaayecanaan Sep 2014 #88
What should be known here is that on a Google search every article on this subject goes back to ToI azurnoir Sep 2014 #75
I am surprised Mao Shung Sep 2014 #98
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