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74. Why is this so difficult? Their stated enemies are the Jews. That's a fact. n/t

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Israel is not a democracy [View all] R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 OP

Ha ha ha ha King_David Feb 2015 #1

well yes of course and we must remember that even prior to 1991 South Africa azurnoir Feb 2015 #7

It's rich seeing a pro-Hamas cheerleader like Asa Wistanley arguing... shira Feb 2015 #23

I think I'll join you TexasMommaWithAHat Feb 2015 #26

What bullshit. Do you even understand the parliamentary form of government they have? still_one Feb 2015 #2

Consider the author (Asa Wistanley) is a HUGE cheerleader for Hamas.... shira Feb 2015 #14

"there is no unified secular culture that knits together these various different peoples." King_David Feb 2015 #3

Isreal=United States guillaumeb Feb 2015 #4

True. truebluegreen Feb 2015 #27

As he points out, the laws of the state are designed to ensure R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #5

Seems he has a problem with Israel's existence King_David Feb 2015 #6

Although legions of Western journalists camp out in Jerusalem, R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #9

Asa Wistanley is ridiculously pro-Hamas. See pos#12 below... shira Feb 2015 #13

"The country has imposed the most crude and brutal form of military rule on at least one R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #15

Do you have a problem with your source being pro- Hamas? shira Feb 2015 #17

From 1948 until 1966, the Palestinian citizens of Israel were subjected to a military regime, R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #20

You're quoting from a pro-Hamasnik like Wistanley. May as well be David Duke... shira Feb 2015 #22

Why should anybody care what you write about anything? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #24

+1 nt truebluegreen Feb 2015 #28

So u think liberals should care about what Hamas supporters think of Jews.... shira Feb 2015 #56

I'm not sure what alternate universe you got that from, but I will restate... R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #57

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #54

Criticism of Israel is one thing. Pro-Hamas, Jew-hating incitement & propaganda.... shira Feb 2015 #58

As a yid, I take exception to the argument of anti-Israel; BUT, I do NOT condone evil in our names. laserhaas Feb 2015 #62

That's what he said, sure. Shaktimaan Feb 2015 #96

LOL. The great sage shak has spoken. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #97

Correct. Shaktimaan Feb 2015 #95

"I noticed that almost all of the op's examples were from the occupied territories..." R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #98

Israel is now trying to jail Palestinians for idealogical crime azurnoir Feb 2015 #8

Be careful, azurnoir. Dave might tell you that you are not allowed to post your thoughts... R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #11

Cool story bro. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #10

(Aug 2014) Asa Wistanley: Hamas waging just & defensive war... shira Feb 2015 #12

The fundamentally anti-democratic nature of Israel was once again illustrated this week R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #16

Wistanley is just another pro-BDS, pro-Hamas fascist... shira Feb 2015 #18

Jewish settlers in West Bank are treated as Israeli citizens and subjected to Israel civil law R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #19

Are Hamas supporters like Asa Wistanley representative of the BDS movement? shira Feb 2015 #21

Happy Valentines, shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #25

The article was published August 1 2014 at the height of Proctive Edge and at a time when Hamas azurnoir Feb 2015 #47

You agree with Wistanley when it comes to Hamas? n/t shira Feb 2015 #48

I think that at a point during last summers attack on Gaza and its people azurnoir Feb 2015 #50

Wistanley didn't say some of Hamas' actions were defensive in nature. shira Feb 2015 #51

I neither agree nor disagree entirely :) azurnoir Feb 2015 #53

LoL. So what exactly do u disagree with? shira Feb 2015 #55

are you comparing me too or saying I am a Stormfront member? azurnoir Feb 2015 #59

I'm asking specifically what u disagree with. So what's your answer? shira Feb 2015 #64

yes you know what you consider bbut I already gave you my answer azurnoir Feb 2015 #65

LoL at yet another deflection. Why do u fear the simplest questions? shira Feb 2015 #67

what are you talking about and oh BTW I edited my comment azurnoir Feb 2015 #69

You still didn't answer. I want to know what u agree or disagree with.... shira Feb 2015 #72

I already answered you and I am not afraid as you claim but I have already answered azurnoir Feb 2015 #75

Asa Winstsnely is another expert who has adopted another people's cause and made it his own. King_David Feb 2015 #29

It's odd, dave, that you believe you have the right to exclude people from the I/P conflict. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #30

Well it's all about the motivation of these people King_David Feb 2015 #31

That's your misguided interpretation. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #32

Israeli is intimitly involved in this King_David Feb 2015 #36

So then you are assigning a right to speech based solely upon ethnicity and Religion... R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #37

No that's poor extrapolation King_David Feb 2015 #38

You may be entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #39

Nah I don't think so King_David Feb 2015 #40

Give my regards to the ethnocracy, dave. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #41

Wistanley & his ilk are motivated by hate to slander & incite vs. the Jews.... shira Feb 2015 #34

when you say Fascist brownshirts guillaumeb Feb 2015 #35

much of the "defend Israel no matter what" guillaumeb Feb 2015 #33

Countering a Jew hater's points like the OP's Asa Wistanley is as much a waste of time.... shira Feb 2015 #49

genocide is defined as: guillaumeb Feb 2015 #61

You should post more from pro-Hamas fascists like Asa Wistanley... shira Feb 2015 #42

Interesting article especially this part about IDF censoring of the news especially about the rocket azurnoir Feb 2015 #43

Nice deflection from Wistanley's open support for Hamas' terror attacks. shira Feb 2015 #44

is that the best you can do spout filthy name calling such as neo-nazi azurnoir Feb 2015 #45

Those who support Hamas' terror attacks against Jews are filthy neo-nazis... shira Feb 2015 #46

so you're saying once again Hamas attacks only Jews not Israeli's or Israel itself? azurnoir Feb 2015 #60

Hamas' main goal is to attack Jews. You know that very well.... shira Feb 2015 #63

No games I asked you a question period azurnoir Feb 2015 #66

And I answered you: Hamas' intent is to deliberately attack Jews in Israel... shira Feb 2015 #68

That's not what you said though you just added the "in Israel part to to #68 azurnoir Feb 2015 #70

So? Both are correct. Their goal is to attack Jews, whether in Israel or outside Israel.... shira Feb 2015 #71

to claim Hamas is trying to attack only Jews and in other places such as New York is ridiculous azurnoir Feb 2015 #73

Why is this so difficult? Their stated enemies are the Jews. That's a fact. n/t shira Feb 2015 #74

It's not difficult at all Hamas attacks Israel period azurnoir Feb 2015 #76

So now you're denying Hamas' enemies are the Jews? n/t shira Feb 2015 #77

I'm saying Hamas's enemy is Israel you might add the PA too at least on occasion azurnoir Feb 2015 #78

Who are Hamas' non-Jewish enemies within Israel? n/t shira Feb 2015 #79

Palestinian Israelis. The other non-Jewish 24%. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #80

Show us evidence Hamas has a problem with Israel's non-Jews. n/t shira Feb 2015 #81

Actually, if you want to prove that then go ahead. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #82

So you have no proof. There's plenty showing Hamas wants Jews dead... shira Feb 2015 #83

The onus is on you to present proof. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #84

Proof Hamas wants the Jews of Israel dead? n/t shira Feb 2015 #85

Are you confusing yourself?? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #86

There's plenty of proof Hamas wants Israel's Jews dead.... shira Feb 2015 #87

Sorry, but I can just take your word for it. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #88

You want me to prove Hamas wants Israel's non-Jews dead... shira Feb 2015 #89

If you make an allegation then you should be R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #90

What I'm saying is there is no evidence Hamas wants to blow up.... shira Feb 2015 #91

No, I am asking you to prove an accusation on your part. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #92

So you're claiming the Israeli Bedouin killed by a Hamas rocket was a victim of friendly fire? azurnoir Feb 2015 #93

And that is our point, shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #94

Fascist and Nazi in the same sentence....you win. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #101

Of course they are. It's a limited democracy, for sure. cheapdate Feb 2015 #52

Silliness does not enhance your reputation for truth telling. nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #99

You're more than welcome to discuss the article. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #100

Actually I am welcome to post whatever I wish. Bonobo Feb 2015 #102

Opinions vary. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #103

Any article mentioning the crank Shlomo Sand (Jews are an invented people).... shira Feb 2015 #104

"Who takes this schlock seriously at a liberal board?" R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #105

Shlomo Sand is an unhinged crank whose dumb rantings make people stupid. shira Feb 2015 #106

"Same goes for posts written by pro-Hamas neo-Nazi psycopaths." R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #108

The OP was written by a pro-Hamas, neo-Nazi psycopath (Asa Wistanley). n/t shira Feb 2015 #109

Why not just scream "DavidDuke! DavidDuke!" R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #113

Liberal critics of Israel aren't pro-Hamas like Wistanley, or Yvonne Ridley. n/t shira Feb 2015 #116

All I see in your posts are DavidDuke! DavidDuke! R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #119

Sand claims anti-semitism doesn't exist today. Do u agree with Shlomo Sand? shira Feb 2015 #120

In the youtube link provided, Sand makes it pretty clear he is referring to politics. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #138

Are the Palestinians an invented people like Sand alleges the Jews are? n/t shira Feb 2015 #107

As a work of history R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #111

You punted by not answering. So once again... shira Feb 2015 #114

I believe in some of your posts that R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #117

That's 2 strikes. Once again, would u say the Palestinians..... shira Feb 2015 #118

Try rereading what I wrote before you R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #122

You didn't answer b/c you realize how racist Sand's thesis is. n/t shira Feb 2015 #124

Oh, you're jumping up and down again. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #126

Sand claims anti-semitism no longer exists. He's a crank, right? n/t shira Feb 2015 #127

That's not what he said in the video you posted. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #139

Further, do u believe the Jews are an invented people - as Sand claims? n/t shira Feb 2015 #110

See reply 111. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #112

I asked YOU. So yes or no, are the Jews an invented people? n/t shira Feb 2015 #115

As azurnoir has explained to you thing are R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #121

You punted again. I get it, you're too embarassed to answer. n/t shira Feb 2015 #123

No, shira. You just don't have the ability to read. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #125

Your scholarly hero, Mr. Sand, says anti-semitism no longer exists... shira Feb 2015 #128

Heros are for children and storybooks shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #129

Sand is on record stating anti-semitism no longer exists in the western world.... shira Feb 2015 #130

could you provide a link to Sand saying those exact words please? azurnoir Feb 2015 #131

It's in post #120 above, but here's the link. Try defending that one.... shira Feb 2015 #132

Richard Millet the source of your video defended Anders Breivik saying azurnoir Feb 2015 #133

Deflection - and wrong Richard Millet. He's British, not French. shira Feb 2015 #134

Nope I do not, Sand is an interesting character as are his writtings regardless of of whether or not azurnoir Feb 2015 #135

Oh? So u still take Sand seriously despite his stupid remark on anti-semitism? shira Feb 2015 #136

as I said I find him interesting and you've not yet named antisemitic memebers of the US azurnoir Feb 2015 #137

Which was Sand's point, but some gloss over that to accuse him of saying something he didn't. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #141

Why would I walk back something that you are not being honest with? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #140