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Response to DCKit (Reply #1)

Sun May 26, 2013, 08:11 AM

8. I want you to know

That I alerted on this. They did not vote to hide--but I believe in letting you know, and why. I do not want to threadjack undergroundpanther's OP, but this cannot stand without being challenged.

What you have written is extremely offensive to transsexual people who choose to transition. It's one thing to say that you would not choose it. It's one thing to say that in some cultures, they prefer transition to someone being gay/lesbian (which is wrong and damaging since being gay/lesbian does not have anything to do with a person's gender identity).

What you wrote trivializes a frightening life changing decision down to "having a pee-pee" or "chop(ing) it off!". That is dismissive language and it is harmful. I don't know your "sister" (I do know if he wants to transition he likely prefers male pronouns), and would never condone stealing. However, I can tell you, having your family talk about you in this way is more painful then gender dysphoria for many trans* people. Your sibling is unhappy? If you talk about him this way, do you realize how nasty and cruel you are being? If you are frightened by the idea of surgery, how do you think someone considering it feels? Are you going to accept this person as your brother, or will he always be your "sister" to you? Do you know how depressing and frustrating that is? Do you know what the suicide rate for trans* people with strong feelings of body dysphoria is before physical transition?

And studies show a clear link between lack of health care coverage and the high suicide rates. In a 2006 Dutch study, for instance, suicide rates dropped from 29.3 percent to 5.1 percent when there was access to transition-related treatment, including surgery. A meta-analysis of 28 studies showed that 78 percent of transgender people had improved psychological functioning after such treatment. See De Cuypere, G. E. (2006). Sexologies, 15, 126␣133.

Physical transition, which types and how much, are up to the individual person and their doctor. Trivializing those choices is cruel, limiting and creates the social stigma that is the fodder for suicidal feelings. Suicide rate for trans*people in the US was up to almost 41% a few years ago. Please stop fanning the flames.

What you wrote furthers the idea of transpeople as the target of fetishes. "Nothing I love more than a power bottom with a boyish to masculine face, some to lots of body hair, and responsive." What you love is not relevant to what a transperson decides is in their best interest. Our bodies do not need your approval. Some choose physical transition. Some do not. Some make some physical changes, and choose not to make others. All of those choices are valid. All of their bodies are okay. All of those people can and DO find love and intimacy with caring partners. "Chicks with dicks is a hot market, sweet bottom boys are in demand and boys fucking is an historic fact." The fact that transpeople are a "MARKET" is disgusting. It puts trans-feminine people in a box, where if they have physically transitioned (in some way) they are no longer desirable, or if they haven't they are a concept and an object to be used. It ignores trans-masculine, bi-gender and no-gender people entirely. As if they don't really exist or matter.

Sexuality is NOT gender identity. People being trans* does not set up a scorecard between the lesbian/gay community and the trans* community. Someone choosing to physically transition does NOT take a gay or lesbian person away. There are many transpeople in different states of transition who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, pansexual, asexual or who have a fluid orientation. Who they have sex with, how they have sex, the roles they enjoy in sex are varied and complex, and again, NOT for your particular enjoyment or approval.

I will call this transphobic language out EVERY TIME that I see it. I will alert on it EVERY TIME. I am letting you know, this is NOT okay.

Here are the jury results:


This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)


This is extremely offense to people who are transsexual and choose to transition. It's one thing to say that it isn't an option you'd choose, it's entire different to claim it's a fucked up choice and a bad decision for EVERYONE to make. This is transpobic and I am very upset to see it here.


A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun May 26, 2013, 07:02 AM, and voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT and said: transpobic
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The OP is simply expressing a personal decision/opinion, here, and frames it up that way upfront.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: I get the impression that the poster was speaking about the choice as it pertains to him/her self. Not a blanket statement that applies to everyone who chooses to transition.

Thank you.

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