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In reply to the discussion: Action put off on guns-in-parks issue [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)41. So you set up a metal detector at the gates to a park...
You have to hire people to monitor the metal detector and they probably would have to be armed. But since bad guys can scale a fence, you have to hire armed security to patrol the park. That still would not eliminate bad guys with guns as unless the patrolling security had some form of metal detection, they would be unable to determine if a person was armed.
So we end up spending hundreds of millions of dollars or a couple billion to secure our parks.
On the other hand we could allow licensed civilians to carry in the park. If I can legally carry a handgun in public, why is it a big deal for me to be allowed to carry one in a park? Florida allows me to do so.
End of local concealed-gun bans worries officials across South Florida
September 30, 2011|By Mike Clary, Sun Sentinel
Want to pack heat for a trip to the beach? Hate visiting city hall without a weapon? Annoyed by having to disarm before taking the kids to the library or park?
Your worries are over, provided you have a valid concealed-carry permit.
Effective Saturday , many of South Florida's "No guns allowed" signs are gone. That's thanks to a new state law imposing fines of up to $5,000 on county and municipal officials, and even threatening them with removal from office, if they enforce firearms and ammunition restrictions other than those spelled out by state statute.
The state legislation has been on the books since 1987. But because it did not contain any penalties until now, many local governments passed their own, more restrictive laws.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-09-30/news/fl-gun-laws-effective-20110930_1_gun-violence-local-firearms-regulations-bans
I predict few if any problems will occur because of the change in the law. A few local jurisdictions had set up their own gun laws and snubbed their noses at the state of Florida. I have carried in parks and libraries in many areas of Florida where it was legal as have many other people with carry permits. No significant problems caused by people with carry licenses occurred in those areas in the past and there is little reason to expect a sudden rash of shootings by honest people now. Those who oppose legal concealed carry always predict a return to the Wild West if honest people are allowed to carry firearms. It never happens.
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It looks like the idea to to make sure honest citizens do no have firearms in a park...
spin
Jan 2012
#2
I find it offensive that you put individual gun carrying above public safety.
Starboard Tack
Jan 2012
#31
My desire is to live in a world where nobody carries handguns in public.
Starboard Tack
Jan 2012
#57
Nice one. With distortions like that, I assume you don't belief in karma.
Starboard Tack
Jan 2012
#56
If it saves lives, we can hire every other person to be a cop and follow the other people around..
X_Digger
Jan 2012
#16
I think you're far too optimistic about this technology, and too cavalier about the BoR
petronius
Jan 2012
#30
"No, but [criminals] should." They will be blinded by the glare of your logic...
SteveW
Jan 2012
#88
If it's not firearms it'll just be something else. So really, a better solution would
petronius
Jan 2012
#92
And how is that surveillance going to stop someone from taking a gun into a park?
rl6214
Jan 2012
#80
So you support a surveillance state? Patriot Act didn't go far enough for you? nt
hack89
Jan 2012
#43
Which means that in public places citizens are been surveilled by the government
hack89
Jan 2012
#65
Yesterday's SCOTUS decision must have caused your authoritarian streak to squeak, eh?
X_Digger
Jan 2012
#74
"secure in their persons" - ring a bell? -- fuck that anti-4th amendment noise.
X_Digger
Jan 2012
#81
If you can not see the difference between a camera (and I oppose those, by the way)....
PavePusher
Jan 2012
#93
How many crimes do you think get committed in those parks now? Not many and certainly not enough
Hoyt
Jan 2012
#44
Oh, God, the "we can't afford it" arguement . . . . . .so often used by right wing obstructionists.
Hoyt
Jan 2012
#45