Gun Control & RKBA

Eleanors38

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90. I reject your insult. I pose the question to you:

Wed Jul 17, 2013, 08:56 AM

Jul 2013

Do you support African-Americans exercise their RKBA if, in their judgment the conditions in their various communities has become intolerably unsafe, and acquire a CCW permit? There are those who oppose Anyone having that right, those who would "allow" the right only for "a few," and there are those who support Anyone without a criminal record and adjudicated mental incompetent status having the right to a CCW. Where do you stand?

I would point out that merely broaching these questions is not racism: There is a history of discriminatory firearms laws in this country, notably and well into the latter part of the 20th Century, in Florida. NYC's Sullivan Laws, still on the books, were passed on a wave of anti-Italian fears. Those measues deserve questioning. And have been in this group.

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Will there be an increase in blacks obtaining concealed carry permits? [View all] Eleanors38 Jul 2013 OP

Good question tularetom Jul 2013 #1

Debunking the ‘gun control is racist’ smear CreekDog Jul 2013 #120

Yes. nt rrneck Jul 2013 #2

You think that's the answer? More guns? REALLY?!!!!!!! rdharma Jul 2013 #3

Actually, I asked some questions. Care to answer, rdharma? Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #4

Yes, that is the answer ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author DWC Jul 2013 #6

"An armed society is a polite society" rdharma Jul 2013 #9

In Somalia, only the warlords and their armies have guns. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #134

ExCoy Law Student was banned as a RW gun troll CreekDog Jul 2013 #110

I has a sad! rdharma Jul 2013 #135

Yes. Look at nature. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #133

Talking point taken directly from that one gun nut's video! rdharma Jul 2013 #136

What video? GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #138

The gun nut playing "President" video. rdharma Jul 2013 #140

Link? I've never heard of it. N/T GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #143

I avoid reposting links to RW propaganda. rdharma Jul 2013 #144

Never heard of itl. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #145

Your avatar is an anti-government bomb-making terrorist who uses extrajudicial killing & torture. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2013 #147

Race has nothing to do with it. DWC Jul 2013 #7

I am a 2nd Amendment supporter too.... rdharma Jul 2013 #10

Yeah, and I'm a gun control supporter ExCop-LawStudent Jul 2013 #11

Evidently we are NOT in agreement..... rdharma Jul 2013 #15

but only retainers for the local warlord have those gejohnston Jul 2013 #17

No. Not true. rdharma Jul 2013 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog Jul 2013 #20

Sounds like we are in agreement DWC Jul 2013 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Jul 2013 #77

Questions and answers. Straw Man Jul 2013 #82

None. But I'd be more than willing to register every one of them that I have. rdharma Jul 2013 #91

So ... Straw Man Jul 2013 #97

No. Because more guns is not the answer. rdharma Jul 2013 #98

So we're back to the original topic. Straw Man Jul 2013 #101

You have contempt for the truth? rdharma Jul 2013 #103

No. Straw Man Jul 2013 #127

everyone should take personal safety seriously... ileus Jul 2013 #8

Paranoia will destroy ya! nt rdharma Jul 2013 #92

jeez, even your name is after a gun CreekDog Jul 2013 #12

But it's Eleanor's, a great liberal you should familiarize yourself with... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #85

but you're celebrating her gun, not her CreekDog Jul 2013 #87

Weak effort. I support Eleanor's stance against the KKK. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #88

Right, but your name is about her gun, not her. CreekDog Jul 2013 #89

You know, Creek, whatever I answer you won't believe me. Right? nt Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #100

if you show me some posts where you've said something about Eleanor that didn't have to do with guns CreekDog Jul 2013 #102

...Like I said. nt Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #107

You don't have any. So far, your accolades of her are actually for her gun, not her CreekDog Jul 2013 #109

What does it take for a "star member" to be PPRed? rdharma Jul 2013 #104

Why do you care? premium Jul 2013 #106

I'm not the one to ask about such machinations. Was it Creekdog you had in mind? nt Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #108

I'm a state handgun instructor Sequoyah441 Jul 2013 #14

What's a "state handgun instructor"? rdharma Jul 2013 #16

States with training requirements certify instructors hack89 Jul 2013 #38

What states are those? rdharma Jul 2013 #39

Texas is one. oneshooter Jul 2013 #40

Is your Google broken? nt hack89 Jul 2013 #41

Must be. rdharma Jul 2013 #43

Pretty easy to figure out that he made a typo rl6214 Jul 2013 #57

Pretty easy to see that he/she was trying to portray this "black guy" as a fool. rdharma Jul 2013 #59

You did see the part where he said the rl6214 Jul 2013 #67

Was that after the dog whistle? rdharma Jul 2013 #71

If there's a dog whistle rl6214 Jul 2013 #72

Or maybe you have poor hearing? nt rdharma Jul 2013 #74

Calif. is another. premium Jul 2013 #53

I believe that is a saftey training course. oneshooter Jul 2013 #129

Ok. premium Jul 2013 #130

To directly answer your question Sequoyah441 Jul 2013 #146

I see..... TX state "certified" and not employed by DPS or the state thanks nt rdharma Jul 2013 #148

Why, so they can be put on death row? BainsBane Jul 2013 #19

Moving past your personal insult, do you think black citizens should, Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #23

A black man would get life in prison for what Zimmerman did ... eom Kolesar Jul 2013 #30

Speculation. nt Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #31

Probability ... eom Kolesar Jul 2013 #32

He'd be on death row BainsBane Jul 2013 #37

If you are against the death penalty, you agree with me. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #49

This Black vs White stuff is pure CRAP DWC Jul 2013 #51

You then believe the Justice System is devoid of any and all racism? LanternWaste Jul 2013 #58

No system is perfect DWC Jul 2013 #64

absurd BainsBane Jul 2013 #76

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #94

Did you look at the death penalty stats? BainsBane Jul 2013 #121

I can not believe you said that. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #81

With all due respect you are wrong. Race is very much a part of the Criminal Justice system. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #79

never stopped you CreekDog Jul 2013 #111

I think very few people should carry a gun BainsBane Jul 2013 #36

If you believe "very few" should have Concealed-carry, who Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #50

There is a difference between what I think BainsBane Jul 2013 #69

I call BS on your racist comments. DWC Jul 2013 #68

Racism to you is not disparity in the judicial system, but someone pointing out BainsBane Jul 2013 #73

Equality is just that DWC Jul 2013 #95

That is not racist at all but reality. Just look at what happened to poor Trayvon! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #78

IMO Racism had nothing to do DWC Jul 2013 #105

So you think that the justice system is fair? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #113

That is a crock DWC Jul 2013 #116

So there is no racism in the judical system? hrmjustin Jul 2013 #117

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #118

Liberals and progressives do not believe the system as is, is fair. We believe in admitting the hrmjustin Jul 2013 #119

Even the family lawyer Ben Crump admits it now gejohnston Jul 2013 #123

Don't you love it when others presume to speak for groups they don't belong to? friendly_iconoclast Jul 2013 #131

Yeah, I remember that. Some controllers sound like shrill 60s-era libs... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #132

Florida is a "shall issue" state. ... spin Jul 2013 #21

The 2A forum now knows that you don't have to state your race on your CCW application! .. eom Kolesar Jul 2013 #28

Well, the incident showed that.. jmg257 Jul 2013 #22

If African-Americans wanted a CCW, would you support that? Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #24

Why would it matter what kind of -Americans they were??? jmg257 Jul 2013 #25

It doesn't. It appears we are in agreement on CCW rights. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #27

Rights &/or privileges should be able to be enjoyed equally by all. jmg257 Jul 2013 #33

"extra credit:" Therein is the problem. Extra credit... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #34

i didn't realize they all acted and thought as a unit CreekDog Jul 2013 #112

Some may arm themselves, meanit Jul 2013 #26

Most people of color that ceonupe Jul 2013 #29

the ubiquitous car seat slit for hiding jimmy the one Jul 2013 #35

Good way to get yourself shot rl6214 Jul 2013 #60

hardly a good way to get shot jimmy the one Jul 2013 #62

NEVER bluff with a gun. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #139

What kind of racist shit is this? Apophis Jul 2013 #42

What's racist about it? premium Jul 2013 #44

It's a stupid question. Apophis Jul 2013 #45

I guess we'll just have to disagree, premium Jul 2013 #46

I fail to see what is racist about my post. Could you explain? Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #52

You're asking if blacks will be out buying guns because of the GZ verdict. Apophis Jul 2013 #56

It's people like you that see racism in everything that are the problem rl6214 Jul 2013 #61

Jury Results... Pelican Jul 2013 #63

Did the alerter think I am racist against blacks? Apophis Jul 2013 #66

nick to eddie jimmy the one Jul 2013 #70

It wasn't your post that was alerted on, it was a reply to you (post 61) petronius Jul 2013 #75

I reject your insult. I pose the question to you: Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #90

Instead of flippant insults, deal with the questions. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #83

What, black people be angry and scared now so we all out buying guns? Apophis Jul 2013 #93

Again, you are off base with your charge of racism. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #96

Sure, why not? jeepnstein Jul 2013 #47

second motion needed, apply within jimmy the one Jul 2013 #48

On "persuading blacks" not to arm themselves: Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #54

wanna hear a funny joke? jimmy the one Jul 2013 #55

Well, I'm always open to humor. Let me know when it comes my way. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #86

The NRA (and Republicans) are pushing the "gun control is racist" canard! rdharma Jul 2013 #65

An African American population legally armed on a parity with whites does not disturb me. anomiep Jul 2013 #80

I concur, yet some accuse me of racism. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #84

because you called gun laws "Jim Crow" CreekDog Jul 2013 #114

I support all responsible adults DWC Jul 2013 #99

you only post on guns CreekDog Jul 2013 #115

fwiw, I'm definitely considering it... Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author gejohnston Jul 2013 #124

do you consider the gun control laws in Illinois "Jim Crow" as the OP does? CreekDog Jul 2013 #125

I've only been to IL once in my lifetime, so I wouldn't really know Blue_Tires Jul 2013 #128

Note #128. Again. Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #142

These are foreboding times. I think the opportunity Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #126

In Texas, in 2012, 7.10% of new CHLs were issued to blacks. GreenStormCloud Jul 2013 #137

I posted an article about women obtaining arms... Eleanors38 Jul 2013 #141