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In reply to the discussion: Will there be an increase in blacks obtaining concealed carry permits? [View all]CreekDog
(46,192 posts)120. Debunking the ‘gun control is racist’ smear
Debunking the gun control is racist smear
Prior to this summer, you would have had to explore the darkest corners of the gun rights movement to find anyone openly exclaiming that gun control is racist. This assertionand the corollary allegation that the civil rights movement succeeded not because of disciplined nonviolence, but because African Americans were willing to take up arms against their oppressorsemanated mostly from obscure right-wing and libertarian websites like LizMichael.com or The Campaign for Liberty. The most-cited proponent was Clayton Cramer, a software engineer with a not-so-subtle agenda (that paved the way for Rand Paul), who has written that: Racism is so intimately tied to the history of gun control in America that we should require that the courts use the same demanding standards when reviewing the constitutionality of a gun control law, that they would use with respect to a law that discriminated based on race.
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Theres a good reason why few African-Americans associate guns with freedom and liberty. The national U.S. homicide rate is 5.3 per 100,000 people. Among blacks, its 20.9 per 100,000. Thats four times the national rate and seven times the white rate. In 82% of black-victim homicides in which the fatal weapon can be identified, its a gun. And 73% of those gun deaths are inflicted by handguns.
Charles Lane has said that, Firearms pose threats to modern-day urban dwellerscrime, suicide, accidentsthat may outweigh any self-defense they provide. Unlike 19th-century rural Americans, we can call on professional police.
Otis McDonald might not agree, but certainly other African-Americans in his community do. Annette Holt, whose 16 year-old son was shot and killed on a Chicago school bus while shielding a fellow student from harm, called the McDonald v. Chicago decision a slap in the face to all of us who have lost children to gun violence.
Then there is the Chicago City Council, which voted unanimously to approve the citys strict, post-McDonald gun laws. Robert Farago was blunt in his assessment: Not to put too fine a point on it, Chicagos new handgun-licensing laws are inherently racist. NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre ranted about defiant city councils that seek to nullify McDonald with regulations that are akin to the poll tax or the literacy test. Both men failed to mention that 20 out of the Chicago City Councils 50 members are African-American.
Read More: http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/debunking-the-gun-control-is-racist-smear/
Prior to this summer, you would have had to explore the darkest corners of the gun rights movement to find anyone openly exclaiming that gun control is racist. This assertionand the corollary allegation that the civil rights movement succeeded not because of disciplined nonviolence, but because African Americans were willing to take up arms against their oppressorsemanated mostly from obscure right-wing and libertarian websites like LizMichael.com or The Campaign for Liberty. The most-cited proponent was Clayton Cramer, a software engineer with a not-so-subtle agenda (that paved the way for Rand Paul), who has written that: Racism is so intimately tied to the history of gun control in America that we should require that the courts use the same demanding standards when reviewing the constitutionality of a gun control law, that they would use with respect to a law that discriminated based on race.
(snip)
Theres a good reason why few African-Americans associate guns with freedom and liberty. The national U.S. homicide rate is 5.3 per 100,000 people. Among blacks, its 20.9 per 100,000. Thats four times the national rate and seven times the white rate. In 82% of black-victim homicides in which the fatal weapon can be identified, its a gun. And 73% of those gun deaths are inflicted by handguns.
Charles Lane has said that, Firearms pose threats to modern-day urban dwellerscrime, suicide, accidentsthat may outweigh any self-defense they provide. Unlike 19th-century rural Americans, we can call on professional police.
Otis McDonald might not agree, but certainly other African-Americans in his community do. Annette Holt, whose 16 year-old son was shot and killed on a Chicago school bus while shielding a fellow student from harm, called the McDonald v. Chicago decision a slap in the face to all of us who have lost children to gun violence.
Then there is the Chicago City Council, which voted unanimously to approve the citys strict, post-McDonald gun laws. Robert Farago was blunt in his assessment: Not to put too fine a point on it, Chicagos new handgun-licensing laws are inherently racist. NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre ranted about defiant city councils that seek to nullify McDonald with regulations that are akin to the poll tax or the literacy test. Both men failed to mention that 20 out of the Chicago City Councils 50 members are African-American.
Read More: http://wagingnonviolence.org/feature/debunking-the-gun-control-is-racist-smear/
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Will there be an increase in blacks obtaining concealed carry permits? [View all]
Eleanors38
Jul 2013
OP
Your avatar is an anti-government bomb-making terrorist who uses extrajudicial killing & torture.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2013
#147
if you show me some posts where you've said something about Eleanor that didn't have to do with guns
CreekDog
Jul 2013
#102
You don't have any. So far, your accolades of her are actually for her gun, not her
CreekDog
Jul 2013
#109
I'm not the one to ask about such machinations. Was it Creekdog you had in mind? nt
Eleanors38
Jul 2013
#108
Pretty easy to see that he/she was trying to portray this "black guy" as a fool.
rdharma
Jul 2013
#59
I see..... TX state "certified" and not employed by DPS or the state thanks nt
rdharma
Jul 2013
#148
With all due respect you are wrong. Race is very much a part of the Criminal Justice system.
hrmjustin
Jul 2013
#79
Racism to you is not disparity in the judicial system, but someone pointing out
BainsBane
Jul 2013
#73
That is not racist at all but reality. Just look at what happened to poor Trayvon!
hrmjustin
Jul 2013
#78
Liberals and progressives do not believe the system as is, is fair. We believe in admitting the
hrmjustin
Jul 2013
#119
Don't you love it when others presume to speak for groups they don't belong to?
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2013
#131
The 2A forum now knows that you don't have to state your race on your CCW application! .. eom
Kolesar
Jul 2013
#28