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JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
109. Well, hold on there...
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 02:53 AM
Aug 2013

You're exactly right about the constitution protecting us from the government, but generally not from private entities (The 13th Amendment, for example, has protected citizens, in some cases, from the discriminatory policies of private entities). You're wrong, though, about the apartment complex owner not doing something illegal, because the owner IS the government (county housing authority), and, as you've so nicely established, the government can't ban renters from possessing guns inside their public-housing units.

That is interesting. ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #1
It's private property Warpy Aug 2013 #53
"Considerably"? How? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #56
No, It's a Government Owned Property! JimDandy Aug 2013 #105
This will be a very expensive new rule for Oakwood Apartments DonP Aug 2013 #2
Why not? mercuryblues Aug 2013 #3
2nd Amendment Jenoch Aug 2013 #6
9th Amendment mercuryblues Aug 2013 #14
I don't have all the answers. Jenoch Aug 2013 #16
A renter who wants guns mercuryblues Aug 2013 #17
false equivelance gejohnston Aug 2013 #19
No they are not false mercuryblues Aug 2013 #20
I didn't say your claim was false, gejohnston Aug 2013 #23
Not buying it mercuryblues Aug 2013 #25
still a logical fallacy gejohnston Aug 2013 #39
But you can have a "Seniors Only" community and ban children... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #59
I don't believe those should be allowed either gejohnston Aug 2013 #78
Except it is mercuryblues Aug 2013 #114
Yeah, I'll remember that gejohnston Aug 2013 #118
"A renter who wants guns can rent somewhere the landlord allows it." Jenoch Aug 2013 #21
Why is mercuryblues Aug 2013 #22
In general, it's a VERY worthwhile question. calimary Aug 2013 #27
That's it mercuryblues Aug 2013 #30
rhe peraon is still allowed to purchase and use Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #52
A woman already pays for her insurance mercuryblues Aug 2013 #115
I am talking if the employer pays gejohnston Aug 2013 #117
I found some material on this subject... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #35
Get to the specifics... Jenoch Aug 2013 #46
the decision is mercuryblues Aug 2013 #116
re: "So why can employer deny a legal prescription to an employee based on his beliefs." discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #121
Some mercuryblues Aug 2013 #122
As I explained in #121... discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #124
Insurance companies mercuryblues Aug 2013 #130
re: "Insurance companies provide BC pills at no extra cost." discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #147
you are the one saying she should mercuryblues Aug 2013 #148
Here is basics discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #150
Because it hasn't fully tested in a court of law. MicaelS Aug 2013 #125
Then I would kick them out Politicalboi Aug 2013 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author tumtum Aug 2013 #33
Is anyone with a gun Jenoch Aug 2013 #47
Chances are greater far greater that you will die by the hands of a criminal with a gun rather than spin Aug 2013 #84
It sure sounds like you're the one that's paranoid of gun owners. tumtum Aug 2013 #127
That's not the 2nd Amendment at Work then. dballance Aug 2013 #69
For enforcement purposes, Jenoch Aug 2013 #70
There is the federal fair housing act and many states have Renters' Rights laws. dballance Aug 2013 #72
It is not legal for Jenoch Aug 2013 #73
You better read your state and local laws and any rental agreement you enter into. dballance Aug 2013 #76
no they don't gejohnston Aug 2013 #80
I think you fail to see I agree with you. dballance Aug 2013 #86
My bad gejohnston Aug 2013 #87
I know the 4th Jenoch Aug 2013 #88
What on earth makes you think the landlord can't call the police? dballance Aug 2013 #137
What illegal activity? Jenoch Aug 2013 #144
What about in college dorms? indie9197 Aug 2013 #103
I do know that college dorms are not covered by the Jenoch Aug 2013 #107
The constitution protects you from GOVERNMENT - NOT PRIVATE entities. dballance Aug 2013 #68
None of those places are a persons' dwelling- and that makes a huge difference. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #100
Well, hold on there... JimDandy Aug 2013 #109
You're right on the 13th Amendment dballance Aug 2013 #138
Policy has already been rescinded. tumtum Aug 2013 #139
There is some precedence for the overturning of public housing gun bans. tumtum Aug 2013 #140
Thanks for the info. /nt dballance Aug 2013 #143
Businesses can do it. bunnies Aug 2013 #4
perhaps because for the same reason a store owner gejohnston Aug 2013 #5
I rent. bunnies Aug 2013 #7
Legally, it *is* your home, and there's lots of case law to back that up. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #10
Of course I wouldnt accept that. bunnies Aug 2013 #12
His only worry is how to spend his share of the settlement from the management company. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #15
And just imagine the lawsuit the complex would face... bunnies Aug 2013 #18
Not equivalent...your gun can cause actual physical damage to property VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #61
which are limited to things that affect the property gejohnston Aug 2013 #11
lol. Good points. bunnies Aug 2013 #13
He doesn't have the right to search for drugs either....but if he finds out you have them.... VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #63
For sure. bunnies Aug 2013 #71
but guns never cause holes in floors, walls, ceilings, furnishings, tenants...... lastlib Aug 2013 #24
guns don't do that on their own gejohnston Aug 2013 #38
damage done is damage done..... lastlib Aug 2013 #40
so does a large knife gejohnston Aug 2013 #41
I could think of a few landlords who are... lastlib Aug 2013 #49
Rare? Do you read the news? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #64
statistically rare gejohnston Aug 2013 #81
You lost it at "gun-humpin" rl6214 Aug 2013 #44
would you have preferred "barrel-fellatin'"? lastlib Aug 2013 #50
Still just as juvenile rl6214 Aug 2013 #151
and uns NEVER cause physical damage to property right? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #62
By an employer mercuryblues Aug 2013 #28
rooms to let, 50 cents jimmy the one Aug 2013 #8
Can I get some vinaigrette and extra croutons to go with that salad? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #9
GREAT! Politicalboi Aug 2013 #26
Because obviously gun owners need to be controlled. Bazinga Aug 2013 #113
In other news, water is wet. beevul Aug 2013 #149
My mother has this rule in her building. bravenak Aug 2013 #31
So what? It's private ownership. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #32
The latest info I accessed indicated that these units are condos. discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2013 #34
Some additional material and a very good discussion... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #36
I don't see how they'd enforce something like that. (nt) Inkfreak Aug 2013 #37
Same way a landlord would enforce a no pets thucythucy Aug 2013 #42
"And before you get all second amendment on me" lol Inkfreak Aug 2013 #51
"But I bet some lawyers..." thucythucy Aug 2013 #77
What happened to gejohnston Aug 2013 #43
It doesn't fit the anti gun agenda rl6214 Aug 2013 #45
While clearly aimed at sarisataka Aug 2013 #48
IMO gun owners are the ultimate "undesirable" neighbor tridim Aug 2013 #55
So are you ok sarisataka Aug 2013 #57
GOOD! If they own the property....they HAVE the right to prohibit them. VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #54
By putting in place such prohibitions... sarisataka Aug 2013 #58
they are facing property damage...and THAT's why. VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #60
I am not only speaking of guns... sarisataka Aug 2013 #65
and your point is? VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #66
I think it is clear sarisataka Aug 2013 #75
Not if you want to own a dog for self defense it is not different. VanillaRhapsody Aug 2013 #146
Pepper spray is non-lethal, guns are not. nt tridim Aug 2013 #67
Pepper spray is defined as a weapon sarisataka Aug 2013 #74
there are no non-lethal weapons gejohnston Aug 2013 #82
kind of hard to enforce Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #102
First off, this is great step forward. MrModerate Aug 2013 #79
the apartment building is not owned by people gejohnston Aug 2013 #83
I proposed no theory. MrModerate Aug 2013 #91
I disagree gejohnston Aug 2013 #93
I would guess it has to do with liability... JimDandy Aug 2013 #96
no it doesn't. gejohnston Aug 2013 #97
Are you sure Jenoch Aug 2013 #98
Absolutely. JimDandy Aug 2013 #104
I have Jenoch Aug 2013 #108
So some elderly person or the average woman has little or no chance ... spin Aug 2013 #85
It provides an alternative for those who believe that living surrounded by guns . . . MrModerate Aug 2013 #92
That's a fair point. I would never live there. (n/t) spin Aug 2013 #101
Policy banning firearms is thrown out MicaelS Aug 2013 #89
If I'm reading this correctly, tumtum Aug 2013 #119
Seems that way. MicaelS Aug 2013 #123
I'm speculating that there are some asses with bite marks on them tumtum Aug 2013 #126
Well maybe not. MicaelS Aug 2013 #128
It's already happening ceonupe Aug 2013 #133
Good. tumtum Aug 2013 #135
Bad news that this good news did not last locks Aug 2013 #90
You realize it was a decision from gejohnston Aug 2013 #94
No, the company is based in Colorado. JimDandy Aug 2013 #106
the management company gejohnston Aug 2013 #120
Just to be clear... sarisataka Aug 2013 #95
-3 for not using the terms "gun safety", "reasonable" and "common sense". friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #99
Uh...what? beevul Aug 2013 #110
Isn't it great to be made a unwilling victim...how noble of them. ileus Aug 2013 #111
'anti-gun' california has more guns than all? jimmy the one Aug 2013 #112
No bullshit, elleng Aug 2013 #129
Utter, total and complete bullshit. MicaelS Aug 2013 #131
It's already been rescinded. tumtum Aug 2013 #134
The landlord cannot change the terms of the lease unilaterally. Deep13 Aug 2013 #132
It wasn't even the landlord that did this, tumtum Aug 2013 #136
In case anyone is still interested, I found the Minnesota law that allows renters to have guns Jenoch Aug 2013 #141
Thanks for that link. tumtum Aug 2013 #142
They changed their minds. hack89 Aug 2013 #145
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