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Gun Control & RKBA

In reply to the discussion: What a novel idea! [View all]

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
119. How about suggestions that are actually related to the problem?
Tue Sep 2, 2014, 08:52 PM
Sep 2014

You are concentrating on an area that is not the problem. CCW holders are more responsible and law abiding than the cops. When I asked you to explain the rationale behind those suggestions, you ignored it. The list seemed to be the standard partisan shopping list based on ideology and nothing else.

That actual problem are gangs, which none of your suggestions will even touch. I don't believe in wasting time and political capitol on theater and partisan games. My suggestions are the same as before:
war on drugs, corporal punishment, disposable males in the matriarchy, corporate welfare that encourages sprawl, zoning ordinances that create food and job deserts instead of walkable communities in the city cores, political corruption.
Come up with suggestions that actually relates to the problem, not the once every other decade black swan event, but every day problems in places like Chicago, NOLA, Camden, Oakland.

What a novel idea! [View all] Starboard Tack Aug 2014 OP
There is a plan....fight to keep the 2A. ileus Aug 2014 #1
If you want to do your Poe routine, please start your own thread. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #4
This is very serious....never volunteer to give up a right because it feels good. ileus Aug 2014 #62
I have nothing to discuss with you. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #68
That's a lot of words blueridge3210 Sep 2014 #69
Yeah! Well I just wanted to make things clear. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #70
POE... power over ethernet ? ileus Sep 2014 #71
so whats your plan Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #2
I think a good start might be civil dialog between gun owners and those who want gun control Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #3
A Bit Hard To Negotiate RadicalGeek Aug 2014 #5
Sounds like you have common sense approach. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #6
Renewal of CC Would Be a Good Idea RadicalGeek Aug 2014 #28
Oops. beevul Sep 2014 #151
It's Not That RadicalGeek Sep 2014 #152
and you believe everything gejohnston Sep 2014 #153
Yawn, the usual from you. Lurks Often Aug 2014 #8
They are willing to never Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #12
Nice deflection. Sorry if we're keeping you up. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #13
Now who's deflecting Lurks Often Aug 2014 #16
Who are you referring to when you say "You"? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #19
"I already give you the following. RKA. That's a helluva lot." Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #24
First of all, I don't have a "side" Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #30
OK, so you have no side Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #33
Good grief. So many falsehoods in what you posted. beevul Aug 2014 #43
Of course, only those with a "chip" on their shoulder. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #46
Yeah. beevul Aug 2014 #49
No. Just no. beevul Aug 2014 #25
odd way of bargaining Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #26
Thats how the "pro-control" folks have been doing business since... beevul Aug 2014 #27
Yep clffrdjk Aug 2014 #34
That's how bargaining works Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #32
we have already given over the last century of laws Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #35
I think your best idea is 50 state Reciprocity Kalidurga Sep 2014 #76
NFA=National Firearms Act gejohnston Sep 2014 #77
National Firearms Act Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #78
AZ is now constitutioal carry steelsmith Sep 2014 #154
You are just so full of it. beevul Aug 2014 #39
Except I didn't say outlaw anything. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #42
Address what I wrote first. beevul Aug 2014 #44
You can think I'm "pro-control" if that makes you feel better, but you are wrong. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #47
You just can't address it can you. beevul Aug 2014 #51
I did not say you should give up lawful carry Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #55
Bullshit clffrdjk Aug 2014 #57
Those goalposts get heavy Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #59
Lets get down to brass tacks. beevul Aug 2014 #60
Rights cannot be given up. They exist in in the absence of written law. nt Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #125
Depends what rights we're talking about. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #126
Absolutely wrong. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #127
I'm sorry Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #129
But you're OK when people defending their inherent rights are compared to ISIS and the Taliban. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #130
I steer away from extremists of all kinds. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #131
"I steer away from extremists of all kinds." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #132
I was referring to his link with my "common sense approach" remark Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #134
seriously? gejohnston Sep 2014 #136
Yep seriously! He didn't lose any credibility. His link was good. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #137
not far from the mark? gejohnston Sep 2014 #140
You've been given suggestions, but you didn't like them, and/or ignored them. N/T beevul Sep 2014 #143
"I was not responding to the "ISIS" or "Redneck Taliban" comments." Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #142
"The NRA and white privilege helps ensure you keep those penitentiaries well stocked." beevul Sep 2014 #144
And many who aren't extremists. beevul Sep 2014 #133
If you think I am a "gun control activist" then you have some serious problems ahead Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #135
I think you're someone who claims to want a discussion, then dodges inconvenient questions. beevul Sep 2014 #138
You got it. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #139
The bad guys are not going to stop carrying gejohnston Sep 2014 #141
See, heres the problem. (edited) beevul Sep 2014 #145
I'm not interested in compromising Lurks Often Aug 2014 #38
You have a nice day now! Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #40
Time will tell Lurks Often Aug 2014 #41
Oh, well you must be right. I wish you well. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #45
I don't believe so gejohnston Aug 2014 #61
Sorry, no deal. Straw Man Sep 2014 #64
I like the line Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #11
All good. Amazing what we can talk about when there is a will. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #36
Dialog is tried every once in a while sarisataka Aug 2014 #29
you are starting off with a false dichotomy gejohnston Aug 2014 #58
You claim you want a civil dialogue but then you immediately applaud a guy who calls others Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #124
My plan would be to get a SCOTUS that would upaloopa Aug 2014 #9
LMAO Lurks Often Aug 2014 #14
I think you are definitely right on 2A needing an updated interpretation. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #15
No most gun owners would not Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #18
I don't speak for all. I give my opinion, that's all. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #20
OK, fair enough Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #21
The NRA would love your insurance idea hack89 Aug 2014 #22
I find it interesting that your plan Jenoch Aug 2014 #31
or one of these Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #37
Where to begin? Straw Man Sep 2014 #66
I don't care about any of that gunner shit upaloopa Sep 2014 #72
Cannot debate the facts. blueridge3210 Sep 2014 #73
"we don't need no stinking facts" Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #74
I am not in a debate upaloopa Sep 2014 #90
You're on a discussion board blueridge3210 Sep 2014 #91
Look you do your thinking for yourself upaloopa Sep 2014 #146
Well, that was certainly clever. (nt) blueridge3210 Sep 2014 #147
You are a last word freak so reply to this and we can call it quits upaloopa Sep 2014 #148
Okay. (nt) blueridge3210 Sep 2014 #150
Of course you don't. Straw Man Sep 2014 #79
This is DEMOCRATIC underground. nt Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #149
This is a re-run, here. What you will see is a response Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #7
Screw them. It takes having more money spent than upaloopa Aug 2014 #10
Can't make sense of most of your post. To be clear: Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #17
Another novel idea discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #23
"Lift 'er up!!! Git er done!!!!" Having nothing to do with your reply or the OP.... NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #50
Good one Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #52
Satire this is not, I wanted subtitles. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #53
Safety first Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #54
Brilliant! Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #56
lol discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2014 #63
High tech redneck. LOL! Eleanors38 Sep 2014 #82
"No More Lists"!!! K/R thank you so much for this!!!! NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #48
Here's a novel, and more productive idea: pablo_marmol Sep 2014 #65
Charming! I can tell you really want to find a solution. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #67
seems to me I see a lot of demands Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #75
Demand no new gun store... beevul Sep 2014 #80
Yes, you are right Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #81
Some are suggestions, some perhaps demands. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #86
"meet halfway" beevul Sep 2014 #94
Seems to me it's been moving completely the opposite way to what you describe. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #96
Yes, it is, because of decades of "meeting halfway"... beevul Sep 2014 #99
I see, you want it both ways. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #103
Most states simply went and adopted objective criteria and implemented the ONLY legal way for shedevil69taz Sep 2014 #105
Thank you. You make an excellent point. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #110
wrong gejohnston Sep 2014 #111
All very interesting, but you miss my point completely. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #114
no gejohnston Sep 2014 #116
OK 'nuff said Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #118
How about suggestions that are actually related to the problem? gejohnston Sep 2014 #119
You make no sense here at all. beevul Sep 2014 #106
Obviously, I am confused Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #108
Indeed. Allow me to rewrite that post so you can better understand it. beevul Sep 2014 #120
I am very surprised steelsmith Sep 2014 #155
Those who demand nothing?! pablo_marmol Sep 2014 #84
What am I demanding? Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #87
"What dishonesty?" pablo_marmol Sep 2014 #156
Methinks you came to the wrong party, my friend. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #157
Jeremy Renner is a hypocrite for appearing in this advertisement. Jenoch Sep 2014 #83
Ah, yes, the old meme that movies cause people to shoot each other. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #85
it isn't that movies cause anyone to do anything gejohnston Sep 2014 #88
I'm very familiar with product placement having worked in that industry for several years. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #89
then you know the effect gejohnston Sep 2014 #100
Sounds like you're going Tipper to me. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #102
No. gejohnston Sep 2014 #104
Good, because I never thought movies or games were the cause of violence Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #107
they portray characters that trivialize violence gejohnston Sep 2014 #109
Yeah, well there's that little thing called the First Amendment. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #112
who said anything about government control? gejohnston Sep 2014 #113
Must've been the way you used the word "should" Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #115
the actors themselves should gejohnston Sep 2014 #117
It's not about actors using guns in films Jenoch Sep 2014 #121
I guess by that standard, every actor must be evil in some way Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #122
Are you attempting to be obtuse on puroose? Jenoch Sep 2014 #123
I did not write nor did I imply that Renner's movies would cause people to Jenoch Sep 2014 #92
Many actors talk out of both sides of their mouths when it come to gun violence friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #93
I'm not familiar with the film or Renner Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #95
Renner was nominated for an Oscar for his role as a bank robber. Jenoch Sep 2014 #97
OK, now I remember. Great movie. Starboard Tack Sep 2014 #98
Try Renner's "Bourne Legacy" for glorification of guns and violence friendly_iconoclast Sep 2014 #101
Never take gun control talking points from people who -- Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #128
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