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Eleanors38

(18,318 posts)
127. When SD actions are calculated, shooting a gun...
Fri Nov 28, 2014, 01:02 PM
Nov 2014

(let alone hitting the threat) is Not the only action constituting use. Pointing the arm, displaying the arm, audibly running the a action -- even saying you "have" a gun -- can count as a SD use. Similarly, use of a gun for SD use is much more than shooting an attacker. The notion of "use" is an important component in calculating any activity's potential danger. Note also that repair, cleaning, adjusting a weapon to my mind does not constitute use; yet careless handling can indeed result in injuries.

Awful shenmue Nov 2014 #1
Darwin At Work SoCalMusicLover Nov 2014 #3
Shame shenmue Nov 2014 #4
i think it's more than darwin samsingh Nov 2014 #5
Love me, love my gun, love my country...or else.., but true patriotism has nothing to do with guns. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #22
God, SoCal, you'll turn off your "peaceful" allies. Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #19
Your pathetic attempt at a joke would have more validity if she was not killed CBGLuthier Nov 2014 #66
She was killed by a 3 year old with a loaded gun she negligently left on a table...a gun, not a fork Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #70
LOL! So that's justification for a filthy remark? pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #131
What? Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #133
Don't feign confusion please. pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #134
It still isn't fucking humorous in the least and the snipe was in poor taste GGJohn Nov 2014 #164
Actually that is not true. Chemisse Nov 2014 #77
What an absolutely sickening remark. pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #91
There's a lot of death celebration over this issue lately... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #118
But the poster will get a pass because his/her remark pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #130
much as i enjoy a good darwin award, they're more appropriate when they happen before breeding. unblock Nov 2014 #202
Again proving the deadly nature of a gun, a child can kill an adult with this inanimate object. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #2
More people are killed in bicycle accidents than from firearm accidents. kioa Nov 2014 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Sweet Freedom Nov 2014 #7
More gun lovers are killed by their own guns than by criminals. Stupid gun lovers..... Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #8
Then don't own one. kioa Nov 2014 #12
Lots of non-gun owners are killed by gun owners, though. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #82
Lots of gun owners are killed by non-gun owners. kioa Nov 2014 #84
Don't worry, even if "life in the USA isn't scary"...... daleanime Nov 2014 #105
How so? kioa Nov 2014 #110
"Who will be a 'responsible gun owner' right up until the moment they aren't." pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #92
And a lot of drunkards kill others. acalix Nov 2014 #186
Good question. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #187
False comparison. acalix Nov 2014 #191
True comparison. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #192
False comparison. Straw Man Nov 2014 #193
How many times as something like that happened? acalix Nov 2014 #201
More to the point... beevul Nov 2014 #200
I have no problem with a license that is good in every state - just like a drivers license. nt hack89 Dec 2014 #206
You're free not to own one, you're not free to deny others of owning one. GGJohn Nov 2014 #27
you are right samsingh Nov 2014 #40
I know, the gun loving folk do not get it that a gun is a......gun...go figure. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #42
the absolute lack of facts and logic is astounding samsingh Nov 2014 #47
Hmmmm, didn't you at one time have only like 50 posts? GGJohn Nov 2014 #165
maybe 10 years ago samsingh Nov 2014 #169
"a lot of right wingers join the board.........." pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #188
want to see emotion and ignorance - talk to a gun lover about gun control samsingh Nov 2014 #189
Quite the contrary. pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #194
what facts do you refer to? studies around the world show that increased gun ownership samsingh Nov 2014 #196
"what facts do you refer to?" pablo_marmol Dec 2014 #204
your google search is very lazy and your hypocracy at bias is glaring samsingh Dec 2014 #208
Lazy searches. Straw Man Dec 2014 #213
interesting point samsingh Dec 2014 #214
Actually, the shootings were a string in the 1980s gejohnston Jan 2015 #227
"Your google search is very lazy......." pablo_marmol Jan 2015 #226
Happy New Year samsingh Jan 2015 #228
Back at you. pablo_marmol Jan 2015 #229
you won't quit samsingh Jan 2015 #230
Right. My post #226 focused only on your spelling. LOL. pablo_marmol Jan 2015 #231
no i meant you won't quit saying lies samsingh Jan 2015 #232
Here is YOUR LIE: pablo_marmol Feb 2015 #234
it only proves something in your biased mind samsingh Feb 2015 #238
Wow -- you're really beyond all help. pablo_marmol Feb 2015 #240
and of course anything you don't understand must be a lie samsingh Jan 2015 #233
The maturity level is appalling sarisataka Nov 2014 #195
nothing compared to when gun lovers tell gun control advocates samsingh Nov 2014 #197
You stated that gun owners are sarisataka Nov 2014 #199
scour the internet and this board to see what gun lovers call gun supporters samsingh Dec 2014 #207
No need sarisataka Dec 2014 #211
the 'control' side doesn't shoot guns at least. Are you more concerned with words or actual bullets samsingh Dec 2014 #212
You might want to fact check sarisataka Dec 2014 #215
btw - have you seen the names i've been called in this thread? samsingh Dec 2014 #219
Yet you have repeatedly sarisataka Dec 2014 #220
okay thanks for the explanation samsingh Dec 2014 #221
You're not guilty of lying? Really?! Here's what you said about me: pablo_marmol Feb 2015 #235
it's the truth. how is that lying? samsingh Feb 2015 #237
It's not the truth. It's a complete lie. pablo_marmol Feb 2015 #241
Actually, evidence demonstrates that you are the one blatantly lying. pablo_marmol Dec 2014 #205
to you 175 respondents scrares you that all your guns will be taken away samsingh Dec 2014 #209
No - I am not afraid of having my guns taken away, Mr. Integrity. pablo_marmol Dec 2014 #216
that's like saying no one with guns kills - your side samsingh Dec 2014 #218
Only the reading comprehension impaired could come to that conclusion. NT pablo_marmol Dec 2014 #224
This message was self-deleted by its author samsingh Dec 2014 #225
Rachel Maddow believes in an unarmed society. pablo_marmol Dec 2014 #217
Good for her. She's a smart person. samsingh Feb 2015 #236
So you think banning guns is a good idea, or even feasible? LOL! pablo_marmol Feb 2015 #242
your posts have convinced me that i'm being too moderate in my thinking samsingh Feb 2015 #239
Right -- because quoting award-winning liberal criminologists is such a horrible thing. pablo_marmol Feb 2015 #243
that's an honor - hopefully you won't be responding if you've samsingh Feb 2015 #244
Most civilized societies have sensible laws when it comes to guns and healthcare, in these two areas NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #177
Define "civilized society". kioa Nov 2014 #184
you are right samsingh Nov 2014 #198
very immature indeed samsingh Dec 2014 #210
The things you mention actually have uses other than to kill. angstlessk Nov 2014 #9
Irrelevant. kioa Nov 2014 #10
we can all make stuff samsingh Nov 2014 #44
I stated reality & used facts. kioa Nov 2014 #55
where are your references to your 'facts' samsingh Nov 2014 #101
It's basic English. kioa Nov 2014 #108
does access to weed count as a liberty? samsingh Nov 2014 #136
In some states. kioa Nov 2014 #145
Why are so many civilized societies able to function just fine without guns? NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #178
Civilized societies are able to function without kioa Nov 2014 #183
Oh, ok, you're just not as dead because they are designed for other uses. GGJohn Nov 2014 #28
you are right - it requires some level of critical thinking to grasp the difference samsingh Nov 2014 #41
Not true. ileus Nov 2014 #61
Do you think there are more killed intentionally by bicycles than guns? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #31
If only there was a law against intentionally killing people, amirite? kioa Nov 2014 #43
There are laws against intentionally killing people but it does not stop this Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #74
very good question samsingh Nov 2014 #45
Good Point. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #75
Yet more accidental deaths from even bicycles than from firearms kioa Nov 2014 #89
accidental is an important word - and how many in each incident samsingh Nov 2014 #96
WW2 had more deaths than WW1. kioa Nov 2014 #113
your words are full of hate and fear samsingh Nov 2014 #135
How so? I'm not the one insisting on taking rights from innocent people, nor kioa Nov 2014 #143
no, you just don't want to do anything to stop innocent people from being killed by samsingh Nov 2014 #147
California, Chicago & DC show that gun bans has nothing to do with lowering kioa Nov 2014 #149
selective picking there. In fact, around the world stats show the opposite of your viewpoint samsingh Nov 2014 #150
You do have the attitude of the 1%. kioa Nov 2014 #154
Al Gore did win btw - you're giving yourself away - the supreme court stoogers stopped samsingh Nov 2014 #152
Al Gore would have been President if he had won his home state. kioa Nov 2014 #153
again, he won the election. it was stolen from him by the repugs samsingh Nov 2014 #170
Again. Gore would have been president if he had won his home state kioa Nov 2014 #173
i would thought anyone believing in democracy would be outraged samsingh Nov 2014 #174
You started your post accusing innocent people of causing slaughters. kioa Nov 2014 #175
i really don't think you're reading my posts - seems like you have something to say samsingh Nov 2014 #176
Al Gore would have won if Katherine Harris hadnt iillegaly struck 90,000 NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #179
Kathleen Harris & Florida would have been a non factor kioa Nov 2014 #181
oh boy NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #182
There are no accidental deaths from bicycles. Deaths of bike riders are typically caused-- eridani Nov 2014 #151
i think that's true. samsingh Nov 2014 #171
and more people die from old age. what's your point? samsingh Nov 2014 #33
My point was specifically stated in the post you responded to kioa Nov 2014 #37
your point makes no sense and would fail in logic 101 samsingh Nov 2014 #38
I disagree. kioa Nov 2014 #52
No, they're not. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #83
Regardless those objects irrefutably cause more deaths. kioa Nov 2014 #85
No, it tells me you like misleading statistics. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #87
Lethality causes death. kioa Nov 2014 #88
My SD revolver is in use nearly 1/3 of a year each year... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #119
If you're not touching it, with your finger on the trigger, it's not in 'use'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #120
That doesn't fly. A gun is in use when a cop or civilian Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #122
Having something 'ready' is not the same as 'in use'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #123
Would you agree that fear of OC sarisataka Nov 2014 #126
When SD actions are calculated, shooting a gun... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #127
i don't think guns are scrary - stop putting words in other people's mouth samsingh Nov 2014 #102
Sure you are. kioa Nov 2014 #106
the fact that i think gun lovers are many times stupid samsingh Nov 2014 #137
Most civilized societies dont have these silly arguments about bicycles and guns.. NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #180
Yet I still own 2 bikes...knowing they're dangerous. ileus Nov 2014 #65
Let's see, according to the Pedestrian and Bicycle Information Center, SheilaT Nov 2014 #79
Accidental shooting caused 606 deaths in 2010. kioa Nov 2014 #80
The non accidental ones don't count, I take it. SheilaT Nov 2014 #90
There is already a law against murder & lacking a firearm doesn't prevent suicides. kioa Nov 2014 #95
But lacking a firearm tends to drastically reduce the suicide rate and other murder rates. SheilaT Nov 2014 #125
Not having a gun doesn't drastically reduce suicide rate. kioa Nov 2014 #148
You realize sarisataka Nov 2014 #11
I realize she was criminally negligent with a deadly weapon. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #16
Stay on task sarisataka Nov 2014 #24
a kid was able to get a hold of her gun and kill her with it - you don't see anything wrong with samsingh Nov 2014 #34
See post #24 sarisataka Nov 2014 #53
No, they do not, just an irresponsible gun owner, the gun is totally innocent. Breathtaking. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #62
Who has stated sarisataka Nov 2014 #67
innocent implies sentience. the admission is that the gun is not an inanimate object samsingh Nov 2014 #97
It was not a "gun lover" sarisataka Nov 2014 #111
What? Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #116
A terrible tragedy sarisataka Nov 2014 #13
Such attitudes are despicable, but they are intrinsic to their argument. kioa Nov 2014 #14
NRA talking points...freedom to own deadly weapons and to die freely by them is death, not liberty. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #15
could you please link to these talking points? Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #17
Ignorance is exactly what gun control feeds on. kioa Nov 2014 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #20
There you go: Using the "N" word again... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #21
you of course meant life saving devices, not deadly weapons. ileus Nov 2014 #25
Death by ignorance sarisataka Nov 2014 #26
You win the prize for being the first to utter the "NRA talking points" meme first. GGJohn Nov 2014 #29
"NRA talking points" is a VPC talking point. Straw Man Nov 2014 #93
Scissors are fine, not designed to kill and can not kill easily. Killing is child's play with guns, Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #117
I see that you are dodging the central issue ... Straw Man Nov 2014 #140
Killing is child's play when the child has a gun, it is not complicated. Just twitch a finger. Dead. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #156
The child's finger should never be on the gun. Straw Man Nov 2014 #157
LOL, any other "inanimate object" that a child can use to kill so easily? Name one, there is nothing Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #158
WTF are you L-ing-OL about? Straw Man Nov 2014 #159
Everything you mention does not involve the use of a deadly weapon, get it? Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #160
Nevertheless, the situations described are potentially deadly. Straw Man Nov 2014 #163
This message was self-deleted by its author Straw Man Nov 2014 #94
well said samsingh Nov 2014 #190
hurt feelings on one hand - innocent people being massacred by people with guns on the other samsingh Nov 2014 #35
Some deaths are tragic sarisataka Nov 2014 #56
death is not humorous and i see the hypocrisy samsingh Nov 2014 #99
Credit for honesty nt sarisataka Nov 2014 #112
Speaking of innocent people... sarisataka Nov 2014 #57
do you not see the frustration on the gun control side samsingh Nov 2014 #100
I see lots of frustration sarisataka Nov 2014 #114
i'm sorry to hear about your cousin - very tragic samsingh Nov 2014 #132
Yes and MADD has shown us sarisataka Nov 2014 #138
MADD in this area would be good. samsingh Nov 2014 #139
So that makes those statements ok? GGJohn Nov 2014 #166
On your body or locked up....safety first. ileus Nov 2014 #23
Safety first, do not own a deadly weapon like a gun, no death by gun. Simple even for the simpletons Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #30
I don't, I own life saving devices, hunting instruments, and target firearms. ileus Nov 2014 #32
the basic point is being missed samsingh Nov 2014 #36
neither will a pool noodle. ileus Nov 2014 #46
unless you get shot at in the back samsingh Nov 2014 #48
But, ileus, you posted you only have target and hunting guns...showing your paranoia now, at Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #54
When and where did I ever say I only owned two of the four types of firearms? ileus Nov 2014 #59
Post #32, dearee, so now you are going to add to your arsenal to justify your illogic? Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #60
Life saving devices = personal protection/self defense firearms. ileus Nov 2014 #63
My mistake, life saving devices to me means things like a life preserver or fire extinguishers... Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #64
Wouldn't it be hard? Sleeping in fear? ileus Nov 2014 #68
Bully for you. Enjoy your hobby, stay safe. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #69
Thanks... ileus Nov 2014 #72
as along as the gun lover is safe it doesn't matter that kids somewhere else are being slaughtered samsingh Nov 2014 #104
Firearms are as safe as baby powder..wow...armies are using the wrong weapons! Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #39
what a great discovery - shower baby powder samsingh Nov 2014 #49
And they could blast barrels of glitter over the battlefield...choking hazard....why do they choose Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #50
here's another interesting thing i found on the internet samsingh Nov 2014 #51
That's why we have to promote a progressive stance on the 2A. ileus Nov 2014 #58
we are samsingh Nov 2014 #98
If you are so paranoid, why not get bars angstlessk Nov 2014 #76
I do have one BAR....270 nice rifle ileus Nov 2014 #81
I recall a tale of a man sarisataka Nov 2014 #86
Why don't you take your own advice instead of insisting that innocent people have to lose kioa Nov 2014 #109
You're more than free to not own one. GGJohn Nov 2014 #167
Wow! Straw Man Nov 2014 #168
To answer your question...yes...yes, you are. Obviously. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #172
It's called "sarcasm." Straw Man Nov 2014 #185
Just another overconfident gun owner Warpy Nov 2014 #71
The use of safes & lockboxes is increasing, which may explain... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #121
Speaking of securing firearms sarisataka Nov 2014 #124
Guns are just a little different Warpy Nov 2014 #142
So target shooting is really practice for killing people? hack89 Nov 2014 #144
Hmmm sarisataka Nov 2014 #146
I believe these on-going safety campaigns are behind Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #155
I knew this story would show up here. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #73
woops I wandered onto this thread by mistake bye-bye LiberalElite Nov 2014 #78
Usually, they are in GD! Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #129
Hooray! discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2014 #103
Those poor children! chervilant Nov 2014 #107
Interesting. The OP and the gloating was not a product of Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #128
Well, now, chervilant Nov 2014 #141
#3 and the reaction to it, even from controllers. nt Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #161
Perhaps, then, chervilant Nov 2014 #162
probably a "safe action" pistol. ileus Nov 2014 #115
No sympathy here. avebury Nov 2014 #203
I'm Not Sure most Gun Owners know what it is to be responsible blackribbonamerica Dec 2014 #222
Registration? The brady bunch? beevul Dec 2014 #223
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