Gun Control & RKBA

pablo_marmol

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204. "what facts do you refer to?"

Mon Dec 1, 2014, 02:29 AM

Dec 2014

What's the matter - can't be bothered to simply google some of the names I mentioned?

As far back as 1983, James Wright and Peter Rossi informed Jimmy Carter that there was zero evidence that the Gun Control Act of 1968 had accomplished anything. And it's only gotten worse for your team since then.

Wright & Rossi started their research assuming a relationship between the raw number of guns and gun violence, only to change their opinion as the results of their study indicated otherwise. Same with Kleck, and possibly Bordua.

Not that you have the ability to challenge your own biases, but the Wright/Rossi book is titled 'Under the Gun'. They were given a grant of 67 K to study gun violence and brought back news that Jimmy didn't want to hear.

The "studies" that you refer to without any specificity whatsoever are bogus. Again, not that you'd challenge yourself to read an entire book by a highly credentialed liberal scholar, but Gary Kleck's book 'Targeting Guns' takes apart all of these "studies" thoroughly and systematically.

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Responsible Gun Owner's 3-Year-Old Fatally Shoots Her In The Head [View all] eridani Nov 2014 OP

Awful shenmue Nov 2014 #1

Darwin At Work SoCalMusicLover Nov 2014 #3

Shame shenmue Nov 2014 #4

i think it's more than darwin samsingh Nov 2014 #5

Love me, love my gun, love my country...or else.., but true patriotism has nothing to do with guns. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #22

God, SoCal, you'll turn off your "peaceful" allies. Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #19

Your pathetic attempt at a joke would have more validity if she was not killed CBGLuthier Nov 2014 #66

She was killed by a 3 year old with a loaded gun she negligently left on a table...a gun, not a fork Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #70

LOL! So that's justification for a filthy remark? pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #131

What? Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #133

Don't feign confusion please. pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #134

It still isn't fucking humorous in the least and the snipe was in poor taste GGJohn Nov 2014 #164

Actually that is not true. Chemisse Nov 2014 #77

What an absolutely sickening remark. pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #91

There's a lot of death celebration over this issue lately... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #118

But the poster will get a pass because his/her remark pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #130

much as i enjoy a good darwin award, they're more appropriate when they happen before breeding. unblock Nov 2014 #202

Again proving the deadly nature of a gun, a child can kill an adult with this inanimate object. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #2

More people are killed in bicycle accidents than from firearm accidents. kioa Nov 2014 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author Sweet Freedom Nov 2014 #7

More gun lovers are killed by their own guns than by criminals. Stupid gun lovers..... Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #8

Then don't own one. kioa Nov 2014 #12

Lots of non-gun owners are killed by gun owners, though. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #82

Lots of gun owners are killed by non-gun owners. kioa Nov 2014 #84

Don't worry, even if "life in the USA isn't scary"...... daleanime Nov 2014 #105

How so? kioa Nov 2014 #110

"Who will be a 'responsible gun owner' right up until the moment they aren't." pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #92

And a lot of drunkards kill others. acalix Nov 2014 #186

Good question. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #187

False comparison. acalix Nov 2014 #191

True comparison. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #192

False comparison. Straw Man Nov 2014 #193

How many times as something like that happened? acalix Nov 2014 #201

More to the point... beevul Nov 2014 #200

I have no problem with a license that is good in every state - just like a drivers license. nt hack89 Dec 2014 #206

You're free not to own one, you're not free to deny others of owning one. GGJohn Nov 2014 #27

you are right samsingh Nov 2014 #40

I know, the gun loving folk do not get it that a gun is a......gun...go figure. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #42

the absolute lack of facts and logic is astounding samsingh Nov 2014 #47

Hmmmm, didn't you at one time have only like 50 posts? GGJohn Nov 2014 #165

maybe 10 years ago samsingh Nov 2014 #169

"a lot of right wingers join the board.........." pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #188

want to see emotion and ignorance - talk to a gun lover about gun control samsingh Nov 2014 #189

Quite the contrary. pablo_marmol Nov 2014 #194

what facts do you refer to? studies around the world show that increased gun ownership samsingh Nov 2014 #196

"what facts do you refer to?" pablo_marmol Dec 2014 #204

your google search is very lazy and your hypocracy at bias is glaring samsingh Dec 2014 #208

Lazy searches. Straw Man Dec 2014 #213

interesting point samsingh Dec 2014 #214

Actually, the shootings were a string in the 1980s gejohnston Jan 2015 #227

"Your google search is very lazy......." pablo_marmol Jan 2015 #226

Happy New Year samsingh Jan 2015 #228

Back at you. pablo_marmol Jan 2015 #229

you won't quit samsingh Jan 2015 #230

Right. My post #226 focused only on your spelling. LOL. pablo_marmol Jan 2015 #231

no i meant you won't quit saying lies samsingh Jan 2015 #232

Here is YOUR LIE: pablo_marmol Feb 2015 #234

it only proves something in your biased mind samsingh Feb 2015 #238

Wow -- you're really beyond all help. pablo_marmol Feb 2015 #240

and of course anything you don't understand must be a lie samsingh Jan 2015 #233

The maturity level is appalling sarisataka Nov 2014 #195

nothing compared to when gun lovers tell gun control advocates samsingh Nov 2014 #197

You stated that gun owners are sarisataka Nov 2014 #199

scour the internet and this board to see what gun lovers call gun supporters samsingh Dec 2014 #207

No need sarisataka Dec 2014 #211

the 'control' side doesn't shoot guns at least. Are you more concerned with words or actual bullets samsingh Dec 2014 #212

You might want to fact check sarisataka Dec 2014 #215

btw - have you seen the names i've been called in this thread? samsingh Dec 2014 #219

Yet you have repeatedly sarisataka Dec 2014 #220

okay thanks for the explanation samsingh Dec 2014 #221

You're not guilty of lying? Really?! Here's what you said about me: pablo_marmol Feb 2015 #235

it's the truth. how is that lying? samsingh Feb 2015 #237

It's not the truth. It's a complete lie. pablo_marmol Feb 2015 #241

Actually, evidence demonstrates that you are the one blatantly lying. pablo_marmol Dec 2014 #205

to you 175 respondents scrares you that all your guns will be taken away samsingh Dec 2014 #209

No - I am not afraid of having my guns taken away, Mr. Integrity. pablo_marmol Dec 2014 #216

that's like saying no one with guns kills - your side samsingh Dec 2014 #218

Only the reading comprehension impaired could come to that conclusion. NT pablo_marmol Dec 2014 #224

This message was self-deleted by its author samsingh Dec 2014 #225

Rachel Maddow believes in an unarmed society. pablo_marmol Dec 2014 #217

Good for her. She's a smart person. samsingh Feb 2015 #236

So you think banning guns is a good idea, or even feasible? LOL! pablo_marmol Feb 2015 #242

your posts have convinced me that i'm being too moderate in my thinking samsingh Feb 2015 #239

Right -- because quoting award-winning liberal criminologists is such a horrible thing. pablo_marmol Feb 2015 #243

that's an honor - hopefully you won't be responding if you've samsingh Feb 2015 #244

Most civilized societies have sensible laws when it comes to guns and healthcare, in these two areas NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #177

Define "civilized society". kioa Nov 2014 #184

you are right samsingh Nov 2014 #198

very immature indeed samsingh Dec 2014 #210

The things you mention actually have uses other than to kill. angstlessk Nov 2014 #9

Irrelevant. kioa Nov 2014 #10

we can all make stuff samsingh Nov 2014 #44

I stated reality & used facts. kioa Nov 2014 #55

where are your references to your 'facts' samsingh Nov 2014 #101

It's basic English. kioa Nov 2014 #108

does access to weed count as a liberty? samsingh Nov 2014 #136

In some states. kioa Nov 2014 #145

Why are so many civilized societies able to function just fine without guns? NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #178

Civilized societies are able to function without kioa Nov 2014 #183

Oh, ok, you're just not as dead because they are designed for other uses. GGJohn Nov 2014 #28

you are right - it requires some level of critical thinking to grasp the difference samsingh Nov 2014 #41

Not true. ileus Nov 2014 #61

Do you think there are more killed intentionally by bicycles than guns? Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #31

If only there was a law against intentionally killing people, amirite? kioa Nov 2014 #43

There are laws against intentionally killing people but it does not stop this Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #74

very good question samsingh Nov 2014 #45

Good Point. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #75

Yet more accidental deaths from even bicycles than from firearms kioa Nov 2014 #89

accidental is an important word - and how many in each incident samsingh Nov 2014 #96

WW2 had more deaths than WW1. kioa Nov 2014 #113

your words are full of hate and fear samsingh Nov 2014 #135

How so? I'm not the one insisting on taking rights from innocent people, nor kioa Nov 2014 #143

no, you just don't want to do anything to stop innocent people from being killed by samsingh Nov 2014 #147

California, Chicago & DC show that gun bans has nothing to do with lowering kioa Nov 2014 #149

selective picking there. In fact, around the world stats show the opposite of your viewpoint samsingh Nov 2014 #150

You do have the attitude of the 1%. kioa Nov 2014 #154

Al Gore did win btw - you're giving yourself away - the supreme court stoogers stopped samsingh Nov 2014 #152

Al Gore would have been President if he had won his home state. kioa Nov 2014 #153

again, he won the election. it was stolen from him by the repugs samsingh Nov 2014 #170

Again. Gore would have been president if he had won his home state kioa Nov 2014 #173

i would thought anyone believing in democracy would be outraged samsingh Nov 2014 #174

You started your post accusing innocent people of causing slaughters. kioa Nov 2014 #175

i really don't think you're reading my posts - seems like you have something to say samsingh Nov 2014 #176

Al Gore would have won if Katherine Harris hadnt iillegaly struck 90,000 NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #179

Kathleen Harris & Florida would have been a non factor kioa Nov 2014 #181

oh boy NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #182

There are no accidental deaths from bicycles. Deaths of bike riders are typically caused-- eridani Nov 2014 #151

i think that's true. samsingh Nov 2014 #171

and more people die from old age. what's your point? samsingh Nov 2014 #33

My point was specifically stated in the post you responded to kioa Nov 2014 #37

your point makes no sense and would fail in logic 101 samsingh Nov 2014 #38

I disagree. kioa Nov 2014 #52

No, they're not. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #83

Regardless those objects irrefutably cause more deaths. kioa Nov 2014 #85

No, it tells me you like misleading statistics. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #87

Lethality causes death. kioa Nov 2014 #88

My SD revolver is in use nearly 1/3 of a year each year... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #119

If you're not touching it, with your finger on the trigger, it's not in 'use'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #120

That doesn't fly. A gun is in use when a cop or civilian Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #122

Having something 'ready' is not the same as 'in use'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #123

Would you agree that fear of OC sarisataka Nov 2014 #126

When SD actions are calculated, shooting a gun... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #127

i don't think guns are scrary - stop putting words in other people's mouth samsingh Nov 2014 #102

Sure you are. kioa Nov 2014 #106

the fact that i think gun lovers are many times stupid samsingh Nov 2014 #137

Most civilized societies dont have these silly arguments about bicycles and guns.. NoJusticeNoPeace Nov 2014 #180

Yet I still own 2 bikes...knowing they're dangerous. ileus Nov 2014 #65

Let's see, according to the Pedestrian and Bicycle Information Center, SheilaT Nov 2014 #79

Accidental shooting caused 606 deaths in 2010. kioa Nov 2014 #80

The non accidental ones don't count, I take it. SheilaT Nov 2014 #90

There is already a law against murder & lacking a firearm doesn't prevent suicides. kioa Nov 2014 #95

But lacking a firearm tends to drastically reduce the suicide rate and other murder rates. SheilaT Nov 2014 #125

Not having a gun doesn't drastically reduce suicide rate. kioa Nov 2014 #148

You realize sarisataka Nov 2014 #11

I realize she was criminally negligent with a deadly weapon. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #16

Stay on task sarisataka Nov 2014 #24

a kid was able to get a hold of her gun and kill her with it - you don't see anything wrong with samsingh Nov 2014 #34

See post #24 sarisataka Nov 2014 #53

No, they do not, just an irresponsible gun owner, the gun is totally innocent. Breathtaking. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #62

Who has stated sarisataka Nov 2014 #67

innocent implies sentience. the admission is that the gun is not an inanimate object samsingh Nov 2014 #97

It was not a "gun lover" sarisataka Nov 2014 #111

What? Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #116

A terrible tragedy sarisataka Nov 2014 #13

Such attitudes are despicable, but they are intrinsic to their argument. kioa Nov 2014 #14

NRA talking points...freedom to own deadly weapons and to die freely by them is death, not liberty. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #15

could you please link to these talking points? Duckhunter935 Nov 2014 #17

Ignorance is exactly what gun control feeds on. kioa Nov 2014 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #20

There you go: Using the "N" word again... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #21

you of course meant life saving devices, not deadly weapons. ileus Nov 2014 #25

Death by ignorance sarisataka Nov 2014 #26

You win the prize for being the first to utter the "NRA talking points" meme first. GGJohn Nov 2014 #29

"NRA talking points" is a VPC talking point. Straw Man Nov 2014 #93

Scissors are fine, not designed to kill and can not kill easily. Killing is child's play with guns, Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #117

I see that you are dodging the central issue ... Straw Man Nov 2014 #140

Killing is child's play when the child has a gun, it is not complicated. Just twitch a finger. Dead. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #156

The child's finger should never be on the gun. Straw Man Nov 2014 #157

LOL, any other "inanimate object" that a child can use to kill so easily? Name one, there is nothing Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #158

WTF are you L-ing-OL about? Straw Man Nov 2014 #159

Everything you mention does not involve the use of a deadly weapon, get it? Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #160

Nevertheless, the situations described are potentially deadly. Straw Man Nov 2014 #163

This message was self-deleted by its author Straw Man Nov 2014 #94

well said samsingh Nov 2014 #190

hurt feelings on one hand - innocent people being massacred by people with guns on the other samsingh Nov 2014 #35

Some deaths are tragic sarisataka Nov 2014 #56

death is not humorous and i see the hypocrisy samsingh Nov 2014 #99

Credit for honesty nt sarisataka Nov 2014 #112

Speaking of innocent people... sarisataka Nov 2014 #57

do you not see the frustration on the gun control side samsingh Nov 2014 #100

I see lots of frustration sarisataka Nov 2014 #114

i'm sorry to hear about your cousin - very tragic samsingh Nov 2014 #132

Yes and MADD has shown us sarisataka Nov 2014 #138

MADD in this area would be good. samsingh Nov 2014 #139

So that makes those statements ok? GGJohn Nov 2014 #166

On your body or locked up....safety first. ileus Nov 2014 #23

Safety first, do not own a deadly weapon like a gun, no death by gun. Simple even for the simpletons Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #30

I don't, I own life saving devices, hunting instruments, and target firearms. ileus Nov 2014 #32

the basic point is being missed samsingh Nov 2014 #36

neither will a pool noodle. ileus Nov 2014 #46

unless you get shot at in the back samsingh Nov 2014 #48

But, ileus, you posted you only have target and hunting guns...showing your paranoia now, at Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #54

When and where did I ever say I only owned two of the four types of firearms? ileus Nov 2014 #59

Post #32, dearee, so now you are going to add to your arsenal to justify your illogic? Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #60

Life saving devices = personal protection/self defense firearms. ileus Nov 2014 #63

My mistake, life saving devices to me means things like a life preserver or fire extinguishers... Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #64

Wouldn't it be hard? Sleeping in fear? ileus Nov 2014 #68

Bully for you. Enjoy your hobby, stay safe. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #69

Thanks... ileus Nov 2014 #72

as along as the gun lover is safe it doesn't matter that kids somewhere else are being slaughtered samsingh Nov 2014 #104

Firearms are as safe as baby powder..wow...armies are using the wrong weapons! Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #39

what a great discovery - shower baby powder samsingh Nov 2014 #49

And they could blast barrels of glitter over the battlefield...choking hazard....why do they choose Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #50

here's another interesting thing i found on the internet samsingh Nov 2014 #51

That's why we have to promote a progressive stance on the 2A. ileus Nov 2014 #58

we are samsingh Nov 2014 #98

If you are so paranoid, why not get bars angstlessk Nov 2014 #76

I do have one BAR....270 nice rifle ileus Nov 2014 #81

I recall a tale of a man sarisataka Nov 2014 #86

Why don't you take your own advice instead of insisting that innocent people have to lose kioa Nov 2014 #109

You're more than free to not own one. GGJohn Nov 2014 #167

Wow! Straw Man Nov 2014 #168

To answer your question...yes...yes, you are. Obviously. Fred Sanders Nov 2014 #172

It's called "sarcasm." Straw Man Nov 2014 #185

Just another overconfident gun owner Warpy Nov 2014 #71

The use of safes & lockboxes is increasing, which may explain... Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #121

Speaking of securing firearms sarisataka Nov 2014 #124

Guns are just a little different Warpy Nov 2014 #142

So target shooting is really practice for killing people? hack89 Nov 2014 #144

Hmmm sarisataka Nov 2014 #146

I believe these on-going safety campaigns are behind Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #155

I knew this story would show up here. NaturalHigh Nov 2014 #73

woops I wandered onto this thread by mistake bye-bye LiberalElite Nov 2014 #78

Usually, they are in GD! Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #129

Hooray! discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2014 #103

Those poor children! chervilant Nov 2014 #107

Interesting. The OP and the gloating was not a product of Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #128

Well, now, chervilant Nov 2014 #141

#3 and the reaction to it, even from controllers. nt Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #161

Perhaps, then, chervilant Nov 2014 #162

probably a "safe action" pistol. ileus Nov 2014 #115

No sympathy here. avebury Nov 2014 #203

I'm Not Sure most Gun Owners know what it is to be responsible blackribbonamerica Dec 2014 #222

Registration? The brady bunch? beevul Dec 2014 #223