guns don't have rights....as progressives we need to support basic human rights. (Reply #7)

In the discussion thread: Pew Research Admits Flaw in Poll Used to Attack Strong Gun Control Laws [View all]

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Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:26 PM

ileus (15,396 posts)

7. guns don't have rights....as progressives we need to support basic human rights.

A few years ago it looked like dark days for progressive 2A'ers but cooler heads prevailed and we find our rights now for the most part unharmed in most areas of the country. Let's work together to strengthen the 2A and the opportunities it provides for all of us to have a fighting chance not to be easy victims.

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56 replies	Author	Time	Post
Pew Research Admits Flaw in Poll Used to Attack Strong Gun Control Laws [View all]	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	OP
What does the chart	sarisataka	Dec 2014	#1
I know you folk hate that chart so I put it up...... even though it is totally unrelated to gun control.	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	#2
I do dislike the chart	sarisataka	Dec 2014	#4
It is a disingenuous chart	hack89	Dec 2014	#8
It is so in your face true and irrefutable and horrible it is hard to say much, I get it.	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	#9
It shows a steadily declining murder rate	hack89	Dec 2014	#10
OP fails to adjust for population growth, deceptive chart shows only total deaths.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#16
"not perfect" = "flawed"?	Straw Man	Dec 2014	#3
The Anti-Cilvil liberty folks..	virginia mountainman	Dec 2014	#6
LOL I wonder when all the "flawed" data..	virginia mountainman	Dec 2014	#5
guns don't have rights....as progressives we need to support basic human rights.	ileus	Dec 2014	#7
Apparently, deaths by both have been falling. That's very good news.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#11
Now I know why you hate charts, you can not read them!	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	#14
Do some math. Are those deaths per 100,000 or total deaths?	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#15
Not just hard, it's really nuts	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jan 2015	#34
The headline seems to overstate what Pew actually 'admitted' - it's not a perfect	petronius	Dec 2014	#12
Rights are not subject to opinion polls.	Nuclear Unicorn	Dec 2014	#13
PEW: US Gun Death Rates roughly HALF what 1993 Rates were.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#17
A per capita chart and a whole numbers chart are not tweaks, they are different charts.	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	#18
Wow you really need help with statistics, don't you?	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#19
Well then you should speak to a mod about the article as you describe it, is there one around?	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	#20
You're very coy. We don't have mods and your graph is crap.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#21
More from PEW: Good news, progress for progressive gun rights supporters! From the OP sources!	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#22
gun ownership rates declined along with gun homicide rates	jimmy the one	Dec 2014	#23
The ownership numbers are suspect. People unlikely to self-report ownership, distrustful of Gov.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#25
In 1973 when the survey was taken that showed 49% of people had a firearm in their ...	spin	Dec 2014	#29
lying skills demonstration	jimmy the one	Jan 2015	#37
Are you accusing Spin of lying? Of being on drugs or alcohol?	GGJohn	Jan 2015	#38
freedom of spitch	jimmy the one	Jan 2015	#40
You don't have freedom of speech on a private website.	GGJohn	Jan 2015	#42
lying skills demonstration, demonstrated	jimmy the one	Jan 2015	#45
Sorry, but the only weird logic here is yours if you think you have freedom of speech on this site.	GGJohn	Jan 2015	#46
alive & well	jimmy the one	Jan 2015	#51
at least the RKBA side	Duckhunter935	Jan 2015	#54
sanctuaries can be created	jimmy the one	Jan 2015	#55
As I said before	Duckhunter935	Jan 2015	#56
I rarely lie but I do spin. (n/t)	spin	Jan 2015	#50
Eh?	Straw Man	Jan 2015	#43
Laughable. Utterly laughable.	beevul	Jan 2015	#47
I really think he does believe the bull execrement he's shoveling here. eom	GGJohn	Jan 2015	#48
nixon in 1971, on revolvers & handguns	jimmy the one	Jan 2015	#52
It sounds like the main difference...	beevul	Jan 2015	#53
Our of curiosity where were you living in 1950s ...	spin	Jan 2015	#49
Read it & weep, 2ndA mythology exposed	jimmy the one	Dec 2014	#24
My post above puts your little claims to shames, Jimmy.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#26
PS, what are the self-reported rates for illicit drug ownership? Kinky porn ownership?	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#27
Notice how gun fun men reject all facts, which are all facts, contrary to their set in metal beliefs,	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	#28
Like the OP	sarisataka	Dec 2014	#30
The OP is quite willing to accept poll results without question- when he agrees with the results:	friendly_iconoclast	Jan 2015	#36
Notice how Gallup survey shows 2014 has lowest number of "no guns in home" reponses in 20 years?	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#31
You mean now today ownership is higher than in 1983, and many recent years also, that "trend"?	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	#32
No, I mean the Gallup survey shows 2014 has lowest number of "no guns in home" reponses in 20 years.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#33
So gun PURCHASES are UP while gun HOUSEHOLDS are DOWN	Nuclear Unicorn	Jan 2015	#35
switch to semi autos	jimmy the one	Jan 2015	#39
Snarkiness aside.	GGJohn	Jan 2015	#41
"Guns are being sold more & more to the same gun owners."	Nuclear Unicorn	Jan 2015	#44

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