lying skills demonstration, demonstrated (Reply #45)

In the discussion thread: Pew Research Admits Flaw in Poll Used to Attack Strong Gun Control Laws [View all]

Mon Jan 5, 2015, 01:07 PM

45. lying skills demonstration, demonstrated

Spin himself was the author of how & why people lie:

spin: If someone calls me or knocks on my door and asks if I own firearms, I will just lie and tell them that I don't. In the first place it's none of their damn business and secondly they can't throw me in jail because I didn't tell them the truth.
spin: One time a few years ago I decided to ask gun owners to see just how many would be willing to tell a stranger they owned firearms if asked as part of a survey. I didn't find one gun owner who said he would reply honestly to that question. I probably asked at least 30 people.

john: You don't have freedom of speech on a private website

weird logic.

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56 replies	Author	Time	Post
Pew Research Admits Flaw in Poll Used to Attack Strong Gun Control Laws [View all]	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	OP
What does the chart	sarisataka	Dec 2014	#1
I know you folk hate that chart so I put it up...... even though it is totally unrelated to gun control.	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	#2
I do dislike the chart	sarisataka	Dec 2014	#4
It is a disingenuous chart	hack89	Dec 2014	#8
It is so in your face true and irrefutable and horrible it is hard to say much, I get it.	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	#9
It shows a steadily declining murder rate	hack89	Dec 2014	#10
OP fails to adjust for population growth, deceptive chart shows only total deaths.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#16
"not perfect" = "flawed"?	Straw Man	Dec 2014	#3
The Anti-Cilvil liberty folks..	virginia mountainman	Dec 2014	#6
LOL I wonder when all the "flawed" data..	virginia mountainman	Dec 2014	#5
guns don't have rights....as progressives we need to support basic human rights.	ileus	Dec 2014	#7
Apparently, deaths by both have been falling. That's very good news.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#11
Now I know why you hate charts, you can not read them!	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	#14
Do some math. Are those deaths per 100,000 or total deaths?	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#15
Not just hard, it's really nuts	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jan 2015	#34
The headline seems to overstate what Pew actually 'admitted' - it's not a perfect	petronius	Dec 2014	#12
Rights are not subject to opinion polls.	Nuclear Unicorn	Dec 2014	#13
PEW: US Gun Death Rates roughly HALF what 1993 Rates were.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#17
A per capita chart and a whole numbers chart are not tweaks, they are different charts.	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	#18
Wow you really need help with statistics, don't you?	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#19
Well then you should speak to a mod about the article as you describe it, is there one around?	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	#20
You're very coy. We don't have mods and your graph is crap.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#21
More from PEW: Good news, progress for progressive gun rights supporters! From the OP sources!	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#22
gun ownership rates declined along with gun homicide rates	jimmy the one	Dec 2014	#23
The ownership numbers are suspect. People unlikely to self-report ownership, distrustful of Gov.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#25
In 1973 when the survey was taken that showed 49% of people had a firearm in their ...	spin	Dec 2014	#29
lying skills demonstration	jimmy the one	Jan 2015	#37
Are you accusing Spin of lying? Of being on drugs or alcohol?	GGJohn	Jan 2015	#38
freedom of spitch	jimmy the one	Jan 2015	#40
You don't have freedom of speech on a private website.	GGJohn	Jan 2015	#42
lying skills demonstration, demonstrated	jimmy the one	Jan 2015	#45
Sorry, but the only weird logic here is yours if you think you have freedom of speech on this site.	GGJohn	Jan 2015	#46
alive & well	jimmy the one	Jan 2015	#51
at least the RKBA side	Duckhunter935	Jan 2015	#54
sanctuaries can be created	jimmy the one	Jan 2015	#55
As I said before	Duckhunter935	Jan 2015	#56
I rarely lie but I do spin. (n/t)	spin	Jan 2015	#50
Eh?	Straw Man	Jan 2015	#43
Laughable. Utterly laughable.	beevul	Jan 2015	#47
I really think he does believe the bull execrement he's shoveling here. eom	GGJohn	Jan 2015	#48
nixon in 1971, on revolvers & handguns	jimmy the one	Jan 2015	#52
It sounds like the main difference...	beevul	Jan 2015	#53
Our of curiosity where were you living in 1950s ...	spin	Jan 2015	#49
Read it & weep, 2ndA mythology exposed	jimmy the one	Dec 2014	#24
My post above puts your little claims to shames, Jimmy.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#26
PS, what are the self-reported rates for illicit drug ownership? Kinky porn ownership?	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#27
Notice how gun fun men reject all facts, which are all facts, contrary to their set in metal beliefs,	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	#28
Like the OP	sarisataka	Dec 2014	#30
The OP is quite willing to accept poll results without question- when he agrees with the results:	friendly_iconoclast	Jan 2015	#36
Notice how Gallup survey shows 2014 has lowest number of "no guns in home" reponses in 20 years?	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#31
You mean now today ownership is higher than in 1983, and many recent years also, that "trend"?	Fred Sanders	Dec 2014	#32
No, I mean the Gallup survey shows 2014 has lowest number of "no guns in home" reponses in 20 years.	NYC_SKP	Dec 2014	#33
So gun PURCHASES are UP while gun HOUSEHOLDS are DOWN	Nuclear Unicorn	Jan 2015	#35
switch to semi autos	jimmy the one	Jan 2015	#39
Snarkiness aside.	GGJohn	Jan 2015	#41
"Guns are being sold more & more to the same gun owners."	Nuclear Unicorn	Jan 2015	#44

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