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In reply to the discussion: Guns in America: For every criminal killed in self-defense, 34 innocent people die [View all]AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)16. What a lie.
"The challenge to that argument is that, data show, guns are rarely used in self-defense -- especially relative to the rate at which they're used in criminal homicides or suicides."
They are rarely used to KILL in self defense. But they are used a lot. Upwards of 60-100k per year.
And I wouldn't characterize suicides as 'innocent'. The antonym, guilty, isn't correct either, as neither concepts apply. Suicide is a choice one makes about their own life, there is no 'victim' in that sense.
"8.9 million violent victimizations"
"Victim self-defense
Between 1993 and 2001, about 61% of all victims of violent
crime reported taking a self-defensive measure during the
incident.
Most used nonaggressive means, such as trying to escape,
getting help, or attempting to scare off or warn the
offender. About 13% of victims of violent crime tried to
attack or threaten the offender. About 2% of victims of
violent crime used a weapon to defend themselves; half of
these, about 1% of violent crime victims, brandished a
firearm."
"Victim self-defense
Between 1993 and 2001, about 61% of all victims of violent
crime reported taking a self-defensive measure during the
incident.
Most used nonaggressive means, such as trying to escape,
getting help, or attempting to scare off or warn the
offender. About 13% of victims of violent crime tried to
attack or threaten the offender. About 2% of victims of
violent crime used a weapon to defend themselves; half of
these, about 1% of violent crime victims, brandished a
firearm."
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/wuvc01.txt
Tell me, what's 1% of 8.9 million?
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Guns in America: For every criminal killed in self-defense, 34 innocent people die [View all]
SecularMotion
Jul 2015
OP
The pro-gun side can't *not* attack the messenger. It's part and parcel of the personality matrix...
villager
Jul 2015
#7
OK. Well, in a thread where *that's actually the topic being discussed*, I may list the guns/models
villager
Jul 2015
#87
You are totally oblivious to the irony of your meta-whining posts, aren't you?
SecularMotion
Jul 2015
#4
You'll notice that AC commented on the article without making any personal attacks
SecularMotion
Jul 2015
#20
One fact ties together all the intentional and unintentional gun deaths & injuries.
SecularMotion
Jul 2015
#35
Writing X number of anti-gun screeds within X amt of time is a job requirement at WaPo.
Eleanors38
Jul 2015
#28
How many times were guns used defensively without the attacker being killed and why
Nuclear Unicorn
Jul 2015
#41
maybe they wouldn't have died if they had a gun to defend themselves with?
the band leader
Jul 2015
#89