Gun Control & RKBA

pablo_marmol

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83. You are correct - absolutely a lie.

Mon Jul 20, 2015, 05:54 PM

Jul 2015

Dr. Gary Kleck refers to the ratio we're discussing as "The Ingeniously Specious" ratio for the reason you cited.

I'd take exception to the "ingenious" part but for the fact that it fools so many people. So it is, in fact, tactical genius.

Edited to add: I'm sure it's been mentioned, but the cost/benefit ratio is moronic because the point of defensive gun use isn't to "bag a criminal", but rather to protect the victim of attack from harm/death.

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Guns in America: For every criminal killed in self-defense, 34 innocent people die [View all] SecularMotion Jul 2015 OP

You are ignoring the three other possible outcomes of DGUs hack89 Jul 2015 #1

And you could comment on the article without attacking the messenger SecularMotion Jul 2015 #2

What are you viewpoints Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #5

The pro-gun side can't *not* attack the messenger. It's part and parcel of the personality matrix... villager Jul 2015 #7

Your ever see Fred Sanders in action? krispos42 Jul 2015 #46

Not only, but mostly. villager Jul 2015 #47

Here's a challenge for you Shamash Jul 2015 #48

Neither of us do that, I think, which is good. krispos42 Jul 2015 #49

Well that's a thoughtful post, Krispos42 villager Jul 2015 #50

whats a "barely-disguised weapon of war" on our streets? Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #51

It's also this kind of intellectual dishonesty.... villager Jul 2015 #52

How can that be Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #54

But you already know what they are. It's a pointless, snarky question. villager Jul 2015 #56

Is my K31 Swiss? Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #63

"I am sorry you have to get so defensive"? Demit Jul 2015 #62

yes, I asked a simple question Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #64

Asking you to define the term YOU coined... beevul Jul 2015 #75

Incredible is it not Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #79

You already know which guns they are too. villager Jul 2015 #81

I do? beevul Jul 2015 #86

OK. Well, in a thread where *that's actually the topic being discussed*, I may list the guns/models villager Jul 2015 #87

Those are the terms I usually use. krispos42 Jul 2015 #55

I admire phone-posting. villager Jul 2015 #58

Thanks krispos42 Jul 2015 #67

Oh jeez.... sorry to hear that. villager Jul 2015 #70

It's MS. krispos42 Jul 2015 #71

A good friend of mine out Texas way has had that since his 30's villager Jul 2015 #72

The same applies to the Gun Control side. MicaelS Jul 2015 #65

you just get stoned like one Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #66

I can multitask hack89 Jul 2015 #8

You are so going to get alerted on Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #9

So, why do you think the author of the OP blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #33

You will not get a reply Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #3

You are totally oblivious to the irony of your meta-whining posts, aren't you? SecularMotion Jul 2015 #4

I at least comment on the cut Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #6

You're not making a comment SecularMotion Jul 2015 #10

You know, if you spent a little less time complaining and more commenting ... DonP Jul 2015 #11

See post # 10 SecularMotion Jul 2015 #12

Lol, that's rich Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #14

See post #4 SecularMotion Jul 2015 #17

See post #11 (use all your fingers and one toe you'll figure it out) DonP Jul 2015 #31

Would you like some crackers and cheese to go with that wine? oneshooter Jul 2015 #13

Lol Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #15

What a lie. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #16

Do you actually expect an answer or rebuttal Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #18

You'll notice that AC commented on the article without making any personal attacks SecularMotion Jul 2015 #20

never knew asking a person to discuss and comment Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #22

I notice you returned to comment on the conduct of others AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #43

So uh, just came here for a fight then, huh? AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #74

I think we all noticed... beevul Jul 2015 #76

"......instead of disrupting threads." pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #84

Yep Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #85

You are correct - absolutely a lie. pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #83

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #19

See post #20 SecularMotion Jul 2015 #21

nice kick Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #23

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #24

I'm not here to live up to your expectations. SecularMotion Jul 2015 #25

Or discuss the topic Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #26

You forgot "...no matter how low they might be" Shamash Jul 2015 #27

Remember the old joke about the prison joke book? beardown Jul 2015 #29

One fact ties together all the intentional and unintentional gun deaths & injuries. SecularMotion Jul 2015 #35

And a human being present to use the firearm. blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #36

There are no advantages to using firearms in self-defense situations. SecularMotion Jul 2015 #38

You would be wrong. blueridge3210 Jul 2015 #39

Guns are an effective and often used crime deterrent sarisataka Jul 2015 #42

More particularly Shamash Jul 2015 #45

Was my previous post too on-topic sarisataka Jul 2015 #78

Hey! SecMo knows more than the reigning (liberal) gun violence expert! pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #88

I thought that it was about the 'innocents' beardown Jul 2015 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author beardown Jul 2015 #30

Jury results, #19 and #69 Lancero Jul 2015 #61

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #69

Hmmm discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #57

Writing X number of anti-gun screeds within X amt of time is a job requirement at WaPo. Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #28

Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #32

How many crimes are prevented by the presence of handguns... NaturalHigh Jul 2015 #34

I haven't seen those stats TeddyR Jul 2015 #40

Stat seems to support my progressive stance on carrying a firearm. ileus Jul 2015 #37

How many times were guns used defensively without the attacker being killed and why Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #41

how many were in fact innocent? gejohnston Jul 2015 #44

In for a penny, in for a pound discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #59

Another thought I had while eating dinner. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #53

A meaningless stat. Straw Man Jul 2015 #60

The object is not to kill but to stop an attack. ... spin Jul 2015 #73

This message was hidden by Jury decision. beevul Jul 2015 #77

Good head fake Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #80

*Extremely* good! Suckered me! pablo_marmol Jul 2015 #82

maybe they wouldn't have died if they had a gun to defend themselves with? the band leader Jul 2015 #89