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beevul

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Wed Jul 29, 2015, 01:32 PM Jul 2015

Gun control? Americans increasingly see more guns as the solution, not the problem. [View all]

Gun control? Americans increasingly see more guns as the solution, not the problem.

By Amber Phillips July 27

Gun control is still going nowhere in Congress. And in fact, with every major mass shooting in America, gun-rights supporters seem to be digging in even further -- and bringing the rest of America along with them.

It's an echo of a familiar theme from NRA head Wayne LaPierre. "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," LaPierre said frequently amid the more recent gun-control debate.

And most Americans agree with this logic, according to a 2014 Pew Research Poll. Since the 2012 Newtown, Conn., massacre of 26 people, including 20 school children, the poll found a nine-point rise in the number of Americans who think gun ownership could "protect people from becoming victims of crime."

Increasingly, Americans see guns as the answer -- not the problem -- to mass shootings.

In fact, the pro-gun-rights lobby is so powerful and its voters so active that Democratic senators who support gun laws tend to reverse their positions before reelection, a 2014 research paper by the National Bureau of Economic Research found.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/07/27/gun-control-americans-increasingly-see-more-guns-as-the-solution-not-the-problem/



"Most Americans agree with this logic"

My comment: Spin that.
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They will spin it Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #1
Yes I did. They have increased their membership, it appears. beevul Jul 2015 #10
A "logic" that is peculiar to the US. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #2
Individualism, rugged or otherwise, is in the American DNA. beevul Jul 2015 #4
Show me the "rugged individualism" sequence in your DNA. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #6
Google 'figure of speech'. beevul Jul 2015 #8
Ah yes. Anti-gun dogma, originating from people that publish anti-gun dogma. guillaumeb Jul 2015 #14
"I noticed that you did not introduce anything to refute what I said. " beevul Jul 2015 #17
The Police, shurely you jest?! virginia mountainman Jul 2015 #5
Anecdotal evidence, or a few isolated incidents in a nation of over 300 million guillaumeb Jul 2015 #7
I'm bookmarking this post for the next round of articles about accidental shootings. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #9
I was just perusing this..and would like to ask angstlessk Jul 2015 #11
If you asked my interlocutor to provide his stats from unedited sources you would see it. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #12
Nations like Switzerland and Russia, perhaps? eom guillaumeb Jul 2015 #15
not Russia, gejohnston Jul 2015 #19
Comparing the US to Canada, for example, guillaumeb Jul 2015 #23
I read all of those gejohnston Jul 2015 #28
Talking about gun ownership in Canada, guillaumeb Aug 2015 #37
the typical handgun owner are urban target shooters gejohnston Aug 2015 #46
I am quite familiar with the Firearms Act, thank you. guillaumeb Aug 2015 #50
I didn't say you weren't gejohnston Aug 2015 #55
Well done. On the make of one of my weapons. guillaumeb Aug 2015 #58
the tower pistol isn't likely covered either gejohnston Aug 2015 #63
except the incidence of gun violence has been going down for decades the band leader Jul 2015 #30
BL lying by statistics again, with bogus charts jimmy the one Jul 2015 #32
More guns----->less crime. More concealed carry------>less crime. the band leader Jul 2015 #34
vcclea 1994 jimmy the one Aug 2015 #135
There are more guns in our nation than people. ... spin Aug 2015 #82
Defining insanity: guillaumeb Aug 2015 #95
Then why don't we have far more gun violence today than 20 years ago? ... spin Aug 2015 #105
Gabby Gifford was shot in a public space. Not a gun free zone. guillaumeb Aug 2015 #107
A USA-version of the Canadian Firearms Act would clearly be unconstitutional. branford Aug 2015 #109
I hold a different view as I don't wish to see our nation adopt gun control laws similar ... spin Aug 2015 #112
I believe you meant to say "Why *don't* we have far more gun violence........." pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #114
Thanks much. I should learn to proof read. spin Aug 2015 #116
Here in the US, the police murder people over traffic violations. the band leader Jul 2015 #13
The question becomes why? guillaumeb Jul 2015 #16
"Causality" beevul Jul 2015 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb Jul 2015 #24
Thats true of many things... beevul Jul 2015 #26
If by causation you mean the "why" that determines why any particular shooter decides guillaumeb Aug 2015 #36
Eh? Straw Man Aug 2015 #83
no drive by shootings? gejohnston Aug 2015 #86
why the reluctance to attribute any causality between drugs/gangs and gun violence? the band leader Jul 2015 #20
If gun violence is steadily decreasing, as FBI statistics seem to indicate, guillaumeb Jul 2015 #25
Why do some Americans feel such a strong desire to own so many gold coins? the band leader Jul 2015 #27
Why do you ask? N/t beevul Jul 2015 #29
If people purchase guns as a means of defense, guillaumeb Aug 2015 #38
The need for self-defense will not exist when the threat of being a victim branford Aug 2015 #40
You start with an impossible situation, a world without violence, guillaumeb Aug 2015 #41
I never posited that firearms are some perfect or only solution to violence. branford Aug 2015 #44
Ad hominem volley came in. I respond. guillaumeb Aug 2015 #45
fact is gejohnston Aug 2015 #47
Fear sells, and so does sex, power, and many other things. Who cares. branford Aug 2015 #49
Polls have shown that the average gunowner is much more likely than the NRA guillaumeb Aug 2015 #52
polls paid for Bloomberg gejohnston Aug 2015 #54
I am certain that you can back up your ststement: guillaumeb Aug 2015 #56
look at the actual poll gejohnston Aug 2015 #57
Push polling, or effective framing in the part of the NRA? guillaumeb Aug 2015 #60
when you say 30k gejohnston Aug 2015 #64
I don't care about the NRA, or who you believe they represent. branford Aug 2015 #59
check post number 54 for an alternate viewpoint. eom. guillaumeb Aug 2015 #61
Huh? I don't care about the NRA, Bloomberg, Frank Luntz, or anyone else, on DU or elsewhere. branford Aug 2015 #62
I think that compromise has already been achieved, given that the Robert's SCOTUS decision guillaumeb Aug 2015 #65
"I think that compromise has already been achieved..." I don't. Again, what will you give up? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #66
How many people must die to satisfy the gun crowd? guillaumeb Aug 2015 #67
Your definition of 'compromise' seems to be different from mine friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #70
The compromise was my acceptance of the Robert's SCOTUS decision, guillaumeb Aug 2015 #71
That's no concession, that's acceptance of the status quo friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #72
check out post 54 guillaumeb Aug 2015 #74
Not supporting registration =/= "no limits or regulations on gun ownership and possession" friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #91
Offering to allow people to keep what they already have, branford Aug 2015 #75
Our interlocutor has not offered any argument that hasn't been seen here before friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #92
"against the clear intent of the framers" Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2015 #85
The Second Amendment links bearing arms to a well regulated militia. guillaumeb Aug 2015 #96
no, this is a compromise gejohnston Aug 2015 #147
Illusions. Straw Man Aug 2015 #84
If a gun is protection against violence, guillaumeb Aug 2015 #97
See my full responses in Posts 31 and 40. branford Aug 2015 #98
It's a matter of degree. Straw Man Aug 2015 #100
Here is a specific scenario that is repeated many times every year. guillaumeb Aug 2015 #102
One scenario? Please. Straw Man Aug 2015 #103
Please repeat the questions. Thank you in advance. guillaumeb Aug 2015 #104
Repeating. Straw Man Aug 2015 #117
A gun can be a protection against violence. guillaumeb Aug 2015 #144
Well ... Straw Man Aug 2015 #146
No pun intended but ^^^ thread killer n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Aug 2015 #150
Wrong question to ask, IMO. pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #113
Again, I don't care about about the GOP's stance on state's rights. branford Aug 2015 #68
"Compromise", here, means "we're willing to settle for a little now, without anything in return,... friendly_iconoclast Aug 2015 #73
"AFAICT, not one gun control advocate on DU who has called for 'compromise'....... pablo_marmol Aug 2015 #115
Nobody wants to be a statistic. branford Jul 2015 #31
To address your contentions: guillaumeb Aug 2015 #39
In rebuttal, branford Aug 2015 #42
Rerturning service: guillaumeb Aug 2015 #43
still wrong gejohnston Aug 2015 #48
Do you define "shoddy studies" as those with results that challenge your beliefs? eom guillaumeb Aug 2015 #51
no, but I'm certain you do gejohnston Aug 2015 #53
Addressing your points: guillaumeb Aug 2015 #69
more & more people do NOT own guns jimmy the one Jul 2015 #33
More and more people do own guns every year the band leader Jul 2015 #35
republican leaning gallup, those years jimmy the one Aug 2015 #127
Yet it is Pew, not Gallup sarisataka Aug 2015 #132
flaw in poll wording jimmy the one Aug 2015 #137
The question was phrased the same sarisataka Aug 2015 #139
unfamiliar voters jimmy the one Aug 2015 #149
rise & fall of gallup methodology jimmy the one Aug 2015 #131
You actually trust unverified phone surveys on an increasingly sensitive topic? Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #108
unverified phone surveys jimmy the one Aug 2015 #122
I'm very well aware of survey methodologies, actually. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #125
pejoratively priceless jimmy the one Aug 2015 #129
Consider learning what words actually mean before attempting to employ them. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #134
equivocation was used properly, ms phd jimmy the one Aug 2015 #148
No, it wasn't, actually. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #151
poppet's poor preparation jimmy the one Aug 2015 #153
You poor thing. Lizzie Poppet Aug 2015 #156
snake in the grass jimmy the one Aug 2015 #158
another poppet petard hoist jimmy the one Aug 2015 #159
scientific internet polls jimmy the one Aug 2015 #160
ms P does it again jimmy the one Aug 2015 #154
The Band Leader puts little stock in any telephone surveys actually the band leader Aug 2015 #152
please drink the water jimmy the one Aug 2015 #155
Your telephone surveys are laughable and meaningless the band leader Aug 2015 #157
The Wapo is hoisted by their own spin... Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #3
HUH? angstlessk Jul 2015 #21
I'm not sure to what level I must translate, but here goes: Eleanors38 Jul 2015 #22
i guess they want to see more gun deaths. samsingh Aug 2015 #76
Except gun deaths keep falling - tough for the grabber to spin the "more guns more death" lies DonP Aug 2015 #77
Small addendum... branford Aug 2015 #78
Thanks, but you forgot one condition - "There are no new gun owners" DonP Aug 2015 #79
Thanks for the update. I never got the "no new gun owners" memo. branford Aug 2015 #80
That's OK DonP Aug 2015 #81
so gun control strategies should be made more effective. samsingh Aug 2015 #99
i guess that's news to the girls murdered in the theater samsingh Aug 2015 #87
No wonder gun control fails, it's supporters are clueless DonP Aug 2015 #89
gun lovers are clueless or worse. its sad to hear arguments that only make sense in a samsingh Aug 2015 #93
Let us know when you ever actually achieve some of your control fantasies DonP Aug 2015 #110
coming from a group of people that fantasize about having guns to overthrow samsingh Aug 2015 #121
Again, cite one example of anyone here ever saying that? DonP Aug 2015 #123
your side really thrives on imaginary contrivances - and to even think that samsingh Aug 2015 #128
So you got Bupkus. Quelle Suprise. DonP Aug 2015 #130
it's so sad that you don't understand the irony behind your own statements samsingh Aug 2015 #133
Well, you know us gun owners, we're all just too dumb to recognize your "brilliant insights" DonP Aug 2015 #136
you must also believe that lion hunters are trying to help nature and not put a trophy on their fing samsingh Aug 2015 #88
Let's see ... 1 dead lion and 5 dead kids in Chicago this weekend DonP Aug 2015 #90
at least i don't love guns more than life and then twist things to support my bloodlust. samsingh Aug 2015 #94
Yeah, sure, fine DonP Aug 2015 #111
i think you're saying some pretty stupid nra talking points samsingh Aug 2015 #120
Actual facts now = NRA Talking Points. Now that's comedy gold right there DonP Aug 2015 #124
Ladies and gentlemen, ... Straw Man Aug 2015 #118
okay let me try samsingh Aug 2015 #119
That's much better. Straw Man Aug 2015 #141
That's not exactly true, but your point is basically correct. branford Aug 2015 #142
i support free guns for the mentally ill HFRN Aug 2015 #101
Sarcasm noted. branford Aug 2015 #106
Well, since FEWER guns are apparently not an option... daleanime Aug 2015 #126
Fewer guns are certainly an option, branford Aug 2015 #138
"the nasty scornful attitudes".... daleanime Aug 2015 #140
Do you really believe that the routine juvenile sexual innuendo and other related branford Aug 2015 #143
Exactly sarisataka Aug 2015 #145
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