Recap of a post in GD

[AndyS]

34. Yeah, right, all the car safety stuff was available just waiting to be voluntarily adopted . . .

Nice try but both seat belts and airbags are both federally mandated and neither one became 'standard' until federally mandated.

Title 49 of the United States Code, Chapter 301, Motor Safety Standard, which took effect on January 1, 1968, that required all vehicles (except buses) to be fitted with seat belts in all designated seating positions

On September 1, 1998, the Intermodal Surface Transportation Efficiency Act of 1991 finally goes into effect. The law required that all cars and light trucks sold in the United States have air bags on both sides of the front seat.

You said you didn't object to RF smart guns when actually you did in this excerpt from the 2016 post.

“The unlocking mechanism for "smart guns" is inherently unreliable. If that's not "serious" enough for you, then perhaps you could tell me what is. “

This is where the goal posts got moved. The original stance was that ALL smart guns are unreliable. Now it's shifted to Biometric smart guns are unreliable. RF guns are reliable but still not good because a 'bad guy' could steal both gun and activator which is somehow worse than stealing just a dumb gun??

You tell me that 'several states' have reliability standards for guns. I hate to ask this 'cause it is so close to the 'link please' crap we both run into in these exchanges. It's usually nothing more than a diversion and a veiled slight at the integrity of the poster. However I am genuinely interested in this and would like to see what states have done to impose any standard on guns. Wikipedia lists regulations by state but not a single one applies to the gun itself. So, if you could help me out with at least one state setting standards for reliability or safety I'd appreciate it. I'm not being snide, I'm genuinely interested in all aspects of this topic.

As to reliability. I appreciate your dissertation on the topic but have to disagree. Reliability is NOT subjective. CAFE standards are not subjective. Feces content of ground beef is not subjective. NONE of the things we measure are subjective. It's NOT complicated, we measure and test reliability of all sorts of things every day. 'Real world' reliability is NOT different, otherwise why bother to test at all if it doesn't apply outside the lab? That whole 'semi autos are reliable except for the magazines' thing! That's like saying the electric car is reliable except that every 250th battery explodes and burns the whole thing down.

So I ask again, if every 250th time you touched an electric appliance you were shocked would you find that acceptable? Particularly when you apparently believe that this thing is vital to your survival? Is failing every 250 times you need it acceptable?

I saw the Armitix magnet video too. Guy holding the gun in his right hand, left hand crossed over to the right side of the gun holding the magnet near it. Yeah, that's a scary thought! You'll encounter someone strong enough to take the gun away from you and he has the right size magnet and knows where to place it while in a fight or flight conflict!!!! You stay up late at night over that scenario? This is somehow worse than having your dumb gun taken and pointed at you without a magnet held awkwardly near it?

And lastly: “I mean, your side is REALLY GOOD at getting new firearms made and sold!” It's not 'my side' (I had thought we were both on the side of reducing violent death but maybe not?) that sells guns. It is the gun industry that stokes fear and angst in, I guess, 'your side'? Fear sells guns. Fear of other people with guns, fear of 'the other', fear that the boogy man will take them away, fear the Government will be tyrannical, fear of change and fear of Democrats. FEAR that for some reason people who want guns are particularly susceptible to.

I don't care if having a Democrat in office scares gunners. They're not going to vote D anyway, so fuck 'em. Stop coddling the silly bastards. They're afraid I'll take their guns away? So be it, they will vote that way be it true or not so just YEAH take the damn things away.

The gun industry has left reasonable people no choice.