Gun Control & RKBA

Pholus

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128. No. Chevy! So why don't you defend your house with your car?

Thu May 3, 2012, 08:46 AM

May 2012

And since you just made such a compelling argument that we do not need guns because we're surrounded by loads of lethal improvised arms, you have by default asserted that guns are fairly unnecessary in most day-to-day circumstances.

Why not just get rid of them then since they serve NO purpose that cannot be filled by a plethora of mundane items. Like Japanese bathtubs apparently. Or a banana (to bring in Monty Python which is where this discussion is headed).

After all, my car is a deadly lethal weapon. Basically fitting the definition of "arms" in the constitution according to you.

The right to keep and bare my Pinto! Yeah, that's the ticket!

Dude, really. Stop. You've reached the point where I am truly embarassed to be engaging you at all. For you that is...

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Baths kill more Japanese then guns kill Americans [View all] hack89 May 2012 OP

Clearly, we need to ban something. Callisto32 May 2012 #1

Suicide in the tub thelordofhell May 2012 #2

Unlikely, Japan has never really had much of a suicide taboo. TheWraith May 2012 #10

IMO a relatively useless, ironically humorous statistic that serves to give a broader perspective slackmaster May 2012 #3

guns kill far fewer Japanese than they do Americans CreekDog May 2012 #4

Just like Americans, they downplay the real killers hack89 May 2012 #8

you're saying bathtub slippages are murders? CreekDog May 2012 #22

Are you always this obtuse? hack89 May 2012 #25

would you advocate safer bathtubs? CreekDog May 2012 #30

I would advocate society concentrating on the real threats to life. nt hack89 May 2012 #82

You must be kidding - Bathtubs? Starboard Tack May 2012 #149

So the actual death toll is irrelevant? At least you are honest. nt hack89 May 2012 #156

another ridiculous straw man...... bowens43 May 2012 #5

Damn - I didn't realize how humor impaired this forum has become. nt hack89 May 2012 #7

Yeah, because the OP was just so hilarious! DanTex May 2012 #23

Not all of us don a hair shirt every day. nt hack89 May 2012 #26

Was that supposed to be funny also? DanTex May 2012 #27

Do you understand what a hair shirt is and why they were worn? nt hack89 May 2012 #29

Maybe an example would help you out. DanTex May 2012 #43

You do wear one! nt hack89 May 2012 #83

Well here's a pot calling the kettle black. Clames May 2012 #101

mods please move this thread Enrique May 2012 #6

So do you pick up the tub to kill someone else with it or use furniture polish... nt Pholus May 2012 #9

Just like Americans, they downplay the real killers in their society hack89 May 2012 #11

I control my time in a bathtub. I have to trust YOU with your gun. Prove you're trustworthy... Pholus May 2012 #12

I have to trust you with your car - prove you're trustworthy... hack89 May 2012 #13

My car is registered. Passing cops can automatically run my tag with a scanner. Pholus May 2012 #14

But none of those are required if you don't drive on public streets. hack89 May 2012 #15

Add gun liability insurance and I might relax. Pholus May 2012 #16

Why? Does car insurance make the roads safer? nt hack89 May 2012 #18

Yes it does as it provides economic incentives to keep driving safer. Pholus May 2012 #20

So perhaps in the case of gun violence, we need to make criminals carry insurance? hack89 May 2012 #24

Naw, auto insurance simply absorbs the cost of nonpayers with higher rates. Pholus May 2012 #34

Most people who own guns DO carry liability insurance, and anyone who rents or owns a home SHOULD slackmaster May 2012 #51

If it covers accidents away from your home as well then you have all I ask. Pholus May 2012 #63

Yes, as do most homeowner's and renter's policies slackmaster May 2012 #69

Registration didn't stop Karst Tates Marengo May 2012 #58

And assassinating the Dutch royal family is relevant how again? Pholus May 2012 #76

In the exceedingly unlikely event you do not understand the point... Marengo May 2012 #86

Because if I were so inclined a gun would be easier. Pholus May 2012 #97

You've answered nothing, which doesn't surprise Marengo May 2012 #103

Obviously you fail when it comes to tool use. Pholus May 2012 #122

Design and intended purpose of the tool used is entirely irrelevant Marengo May 2012 #124

Logic FTW. Why don't you ride your bathrug to work now... Bwahaha. Pholus May 2012 #125

Dodge, eh? Back to the issue: Are you arguing that a car CANNOT be used as a weapon? Marengo May 2012 #127

No. Chevy! So why don't you defend your house with your car? Pholus May 2012 #128

Please cite where I actually stated such a position Marengo May 2012 #131

And I quote: Pholus May 2012 #138

And you fail... Marengo May 2012 #140

Please also provide a cite to prove what you assume I "must believe" Marengo May 2012 #141

I'm back. Deliberate obtuseness is NOT a debating skill. Pholus May 2012 #157

Your bob and weave routine doesn't change the fact that your points in Post 14 were discredited... Marengo May 2012 #158

This from one who cannot answer ONE simple question. Pholus May 2012 #159

LOL! Why do you persist in making ME the subject? Marengo May 2012 #160

By the way, didn't you say you were done with this conversation? Marengo May 2012 #161

I was until I saw the NUMBER of reply posts you made. Pholus May 2012 #162

It has been fun, especially your comical attempts to detour the conversation away... Marengo May 2012 #167

And all I have seen from you Pholus May 2012 #172

If you are leveling an accusation, it would be advisable to ensure Marengo May 2012 #174

As I thought, emotional... Pholus May 2012 #176

Please cite a specific example of where I have expressed.... Marengo May 2012 #177

Pardon me... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #163

No problem. Sadly, you're doing the same thing. Pholus May 2012 #165

Uh, In post 14, did you state that registration would prevent you... Marengo May 2012 #171

Not knowing... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #173

A very good discussion! Pholus May 2012 #175

Yes, you are done, as your claim of "trustworthiness" through registration... Marengo May 2012 #145

Oh, a bit of friendly advice: Pretending not to understand a clear point... Marengo May 2012 #129

When it comes to clarity, I'm not the guy confusing Japanese bathtubs with firearms. nt Pholus May 2012 #130

Uh Huh... Marengo May 2012 #132

Sure. I'm not the guy who thinks I can rub someone out with a volvo at will. nt Pholus May 2012 #134

Uh, are you claiming it can't happen? Marengo May 2012 #135

No, but unlike you I understand which is more likely. nt Pholus May 2012 #136

Likeliness is a non-issue... Marengo May 2012 #144

Would you anti-gun people please make up your minds? shadowrider May 2012 #164

Dude, you must be THIS TALL before posting... Pholus May 2012 #166

sure, i'll register my car, get licensed, agree to follow the laws and carry insurance CreekDog May 2012 #31

car registration gejohnston May 2012 #33

so your answer is "no" CreekDog May 2012 #35

some places do gejohnston May 2012 #37

You really don't want to go there - But we'd love treating guns like cars. DonP May 2012 #38

nice strawman CreekDog May 2012 #39

No strawman. The conversation is to treat guns like cars, right? shadowrider May 2012 #42

not a carbon copy CreekDog May 2012 #46

So in your opinion, treat cars and guns the same, only different shadowrider May 2012 #47

Hey, it was your BIG idea DonP May 2012 #48

Just like "tubs and guns" I guess. Some analogies are OBVIOUSLY more equal than others. Pholus May 2012 #49

I don't expect much from the control side of the discussion and I'm seldom disappointed DonP May 2012 #53

Well said. I think that a good percentage of restriction supporters know their cause is lost. Simo 1939_1940 May 2012 #59

Hey, I don't expect much from the freeloaders either Pholus May 2012 #64

I notice you didn't mention buy liability insurance though. Pholus May 2012 #50

Ha! Yes, because licensing guns like cars is such an original suggestion DonP May 2012 #54

At least I use my own words. Pholus May 2012 #62

Ill informed, bitter and a bad haircut is no way to go through life DonP May 2012 #67

No wonder you parrot what other people say... Pholus May 2012 #75

Just like a car, none of that applies to my gun in my house and not carried in public hack89 May 2012 #154

I prove it every day. jeepnstein May 2012 #137

I don't have to prove that I am trustworthy. You have to prove that I am not. oneshooter May 2012 #155

Every two years guns kill as many Americans as died in Vietnam. DanTex May 2012 #17

How many MONTHS does it take for alcohol or tobacco to kill that many? hack89 May 2012 #19

Yeah, Vietnam was blown way out of proportion... DanTex May 2012 #21

Yet I see no proposed laws to ban the use of alcohol and tobacco hack89 May 2012 #28

there are lots of laws about alcohol and tobacco CreekDog May 2012 #32

don't know much about gun laws do you? gejohnston May 2012 #45

There are more.for guns hack89 May 2012 #56

Not a ban, just a rational balance between individual rights and public safety. DanTex May 2012 #36

A rational balance between individual rights and public safety to be decided by anti-gun people? shadowrider May 2012 #40

Yes, and let's let drunk people write the drunk driving laws. DanTex May 2012 #44

They do sarisataka May 2012 #52

Sigh. Straw Man May 2012 #73

Snark is no substitute for logic. DanTex May 2012 #74

Snark and logic can co-exist. Straw Man May 2012 #78

If only you were capable of logic. DanTex May 2012 #80

Who's snarky now? But your logic fails. Straw Man May 2012 #81

Not God. Just google and some common sense. DanTex May 2012 #85

Did I hear you correctly? Straw Man May 2012 #87

Note to self: not all people are capable of abstract thought. DanTex May 2012 #88

Oh, was there an abstraction in there? Straw Man May 2012 #90

Hint: the word "responsible" was in quotations. DanTex May 2012 #91

Which changes nothing. Straw Man May 2012 #94

LOL. Try again! DanTex May 2012 #95

You'll have to do better than that. Straw Man May 2012 #98

I guess you weren't just playing dumb... DanTex May 2012 #100

Was that supposed to be substantive? Straw Man May 2012 #105

Your analysis was "you must be joking". Did I get that right? DanTex May 2012 #107

Yes, Dan, you did. Straw Man May 2012 #111

In my "rarefied intellectual circles", people actually back their accusations with reason. DanTex May 2012 #113

OK, now we're back on track. Straw Man May 2012 #117

You're wrong. Mostly. DanTex May 2012 #119

You still can't see it, can you. Straw Man May 2012 #142

Sorry, you're the one who isn't following. DanTex May 2012 #143

And around and around. Straw Man May 2012 #146

OK, this is getting boring and repetitive. DanTex May 2012 #148

So you're done? Straw Man May 2012 #151

I would like to see the actuall study and methods gejohnston May 2012 #89

You're just a regressive denier. DanTex May 2012 #92

a phone survey in a few states gejohnston May 2012 #93

Your favorite survey of all time was also done in the 1990s. DanTex May 2012 #96

but it was done by a real scientist gejohnston May 2012 #99

LOL! A "real scientist in an objective manner" DanTex May 2012 #102

In other words, gejohnston May 2012 #104

Yeah, Dan has pretty much run out of ... Straw Man May 2012 #106

Well, I do have a peer-reviewed study, which, as usual, you are desperately trying to deny. DanTex May 2012 #108

so was mine. gejohnston May 2012 #109

Hey, you were the one who said I had nothing of substance. That wasn't nice! Or true! DanTex May 2012 #110

I don't know if they do or not gejohnston May 2012 #112

Hey! You took the first cheap shot at a researcher and professor! DanTex May 2012 #114

he is an ER doctor gejohnston May 2012 #115

See, there's another cheap shot! DanTex May 2012 #116

what gun blogs do you read? gejohnston May 2012 #118

Of course it's a cheap shot. DanTex May 2012 #120

which are very few people gejohnston May 2012 #121

So what measure do you use to determine who is worthy of owning a gun or not? hack89 May 2012 #84

I cling to my tub. I am a tub nut. I strap one or two tubs on before I leave the house. Common Sense Party May 2012 #41

Also known as "The Adhesive Duck Deficiency"... EX500rider May 2012 #55

Explaining it made it way less funny. Callisto32 May 2012 #61

so? iverglas May 2012 #57

Maybe someone's suggesting you need a bath. nt Remmah2 May 2012 #70

That includes people who died of natural causes while in the tub Taitertots May 2012 #60

Time to ban indoor plumbing... ileus May 2012 #65

I see the usual suspects bongbong May 2012 #66

Aha! DonP May 2012 #68

LOL bongbong May 2012 #79

Yet you still tuck one away before venturing out. Hoyt May 2012 #71

Very rarely. I live in a very safe area. nt hack89 May 2012 #168

Well, you are one of the first to realize you don't have to pack everywhere. Hoyt May 2012 #169

Many here have said that. You have just ignored them. nt hack89 May 2012 #170

Having spent Meiko May 2012 #72

They'll have to pry off my cold, wet hands LiberalEsto May 2012 #77

Between tubs and guns, which one killed while performing their intended purpose? Pholus May 2012 #123

Guns are only useful for murdering people? hack89 May 2012 #126

I appreciate your point. This point, not your OP. Pholus May 2012 #133

The problem with new laws is that they are aimed at the wrong people hack89 May 2012 #139

I guess suicides don't count as deaths. Starboard Tack May 2012 #147

Suicides are not accidental or criminals deaths. hack89 May 2012 #150

Who said they were? Starboard Tack May 2012 #152

Why don't you wait until the next literal, simplistic black and white thread then? hack89 May 2012 #153