Gun Control & RKBA

Starboard Tack

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86. There is zero evidence that carrying more guns around has reduced violence.

Wed Sep 12, 2012, 05:37 PM

Sep 2012

It is a bogus claim by those who would have us believe such drivel.
The very act of carrying a loaded weapon is inherently violent. Violent crime numbers are on the decline for a variety of reasons. One important reason is better community policing in urban areas, especially the gang infested inner city war zones where most violent crime takes place. Another important reason is the reclassification of many killings by so-called "good guys" of so-called "bad guys" in states where SYG laws have given the green light to those who would shoot anyone they claim they were in fear of. So, many of yesterday's murder and manslaughter cases have become today's justifiable homicides. What used to be a serious crime has become a public service in some states like Texas and Florida.

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Kansas supports suit opposing concealed-carry permit restrictions [View all] rDigital Sep 2012 OP

I remain amazed how so many can ignore the precedent established by PA (1776) and VT (1777). jody Sep 2012 #1

A little off topic, but as a side note: rDigital Sep 2012 #2

That's hilarious! No restrictions for those who qualify. What a load of gobbledygook! Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #3

"or what kind of guns they carry?" A few states,Californis and Mass. have your carry weapon oneshooter Sep 2012 #4

Why? It's called awareness. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #5

So you plan to pull a Hoyt, and detain people in order to check their papers? oneshooter Sep 2012 #6

What nonsense! Papers? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #10

But you care why we carry hack89 Sep 2012 #16

Starboard Jenoch Sep 2012 #20

No! Where did I say you should not be "allowed" to carry? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #21

Of course it is a legitimate form of self defense hack89 Sep 2012 #23

Angry DU Gun Lobby bongbong Sep 2012 #28

So you are a "show me your papers" kind of guy? hack89 Sep 2012 #7

Wrong! Just the opposite. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #12

But you do support citizens having to justify the exercising of a civil liberty hack89 Sep 2012 #13

You are trying to put words in my mouth. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #22

"Keep and bear arms" certainly covers concealed carry. hack89 Sep 2012 #24

2A does not cover CCW - that is the problem Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #25

And you have the case law to back up this assertion? hack89 Sep 2012 #26

Neither abortion, nor gay marriage, nor guns are mentioned in the constitution. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #38

Arms = weapons. Which included guns when the Constitution was written. hack89 Sep 2012 #39

Delving into silliness? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #45

Then show us the harm hack89 Sep 2012 #47

Do you think global warming happened overnight? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #49

So lets wait until you have some actual facts? hack89 Sep 2012 #50

The reduction in gun violence has no proven connection to CCW Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #58

let me get this straight MrDiaz Sep 2012 #63

But how do we measure the harm of CCW if not by people being shot? hack89 Sep 2012 #67

not buying it gejohnston Sep 2012 #52

In most states CCW isn't random. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #51

I didn't mean the issuing of permits was random, but the practice of carrying. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #55

those who carry illegally MrDiaz Sep 2012 #64

Rarely, especially in SYG states where murder has been reclassified. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #68

NO gejohnston Sep 2012 #71

yea MrDiaz Sep 2012 #78

Past actions are the best predictor of future actions. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #74

Yet you support 21 year old college students carrying on campus. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #80

By age 21 most people have establish their life-pattern. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #83

Scrap 2A? Not gonna happen. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #30

Not gonna happen anytime soon, maybe never. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #43

If a future SCOTUS gutted the 2A, a new, stronger 2A replacement would be passed. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #53

States are neither happy nor unhappy. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #59

The people in those 39 states have already decided. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #73

So that's how you roll in Texas Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #81

The same story has been played out in other states with other governors. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #84

"Democrats in other states have lost elections because they opposed concealed carry." Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #88

it's called the will of the people gejohnston Sep 2012 #89

Ah yes, the "will of the people". Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #90

propaganda shapes the will of the people. gejohnston Sep 2012 #91

"The only real solution is to scrap 2A and enact sensible legislation." oneshooter Sep 2012 #35

Good question. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #41

if he can just get the stun function down and perfected gejohnston Sep 2012 #44

Brilliant! Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #46

Check out this vomit flashlight: GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #56

If a law were to be passed Jenoch Sep 2012 #57

Well, it's a hypothetical, but I'll give it a shot. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #61

how about those MrDiaz Sep 2012 #65

What is the problem? Are you serious? Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #72

I'm not MrDiaz Sep 2012 #77

In a simplistic world maybe. Not in the real world. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #82

okay so what world MrDiaz Sep 2012 #85

There is zero evidence that carrying more guns around has reduced violence. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #86

yes you keep MrDiaz Sep 2012 #87

Some excerpted points discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #92

I don't think I have suggested a causal relationship between crime and firearm ownership. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #94

"Their presence in public would just die out. "?????? Jenoch Sep 2012 #69

Disarm the police? Not my wish. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #79

I have not posted anything Jenoch Sep 2012 #95

Disarming means taking them away. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #96

And how would you pay "fair market value" for those that are turned in. oneshooter Sep 2012 #62

Beats me. Jenoch Sep 2012 #70

Situational awareness Reasonable_Argument Sep 2012 #8

Correct. And neither does a gun protect you from all of life's dangers. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #11

X1000 Situational awareness has saved more lives than any tool could. rDigital Sep 2012 #19

Agreed! bongbong Sep 2012 #29

The bong crowds latest stupid terminology..."Delicate Flowers" rl6214 Sep 2012 #32

Yes! bongbong Sep 2012 #37

Well if it makes you feel better and helps get your panties unbunched and you feel the need rl6214 Sep 2012 #40

LOLOLOLOL bongbong Sep 2012 #42

Poor Bongbong. aikoaiko Sep 2012 #66

Well.... Kezzy604 Sep 2012 #33

Oh I don't know, gejohnston Sep 2012 #34

"That's why so many Europeans avoid America when picking a vacation destination." Jenoch Sep 2012 #36

That post is why we pro-RKBA frequently post ancedotes about gun saves. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #31

Tx stats show YOU that. They prove nothing. Neither do anecdotes. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #48

Have you looked at the Texas stats.? GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #54

Arithmetic tends to be straight forward. Starboard Tack Sep 2012 #60

So you throw away information you don't like. GreenStormCloud Sep 2012 #75

the police are not "we the people" gejohnston Sep 2012 #18

You don't have the right to make that choice for me or my family. Atypical Liberal Sep 2012 #27

This issue is the crux of one of the more gigantic frauds going. discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #9

This is Texas, I have to carry all of them oneshooter Sep 2012 #15

That's fine discntnt_irny_srcsm Sep 2012 #17

Finally true progressiveness.... ileus Sep 2012 #14

I would expect nothing less from the backward state of KS MotherPetrie Sep 2012 #76

I take it you don't care for their 'reasonable' and 'common-sense' abortion restrictions as well? friendly_iconoclast Sep 2012 #93