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navarth

(5,927 posts)
111. Very well
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:06 AM
Aug 2015

You are asking me a couple of questions there, so I will attempt to answer sincerely and honestly; and by all means, let us factor in the fact that I'm white and therefore a certain amount of racism is going to be hard-wired into me. That can't be denied IMO, but it can be accounted for, and compensated for. I've been called a 'white guilt wimp' by passing trolls and I say with the strongest emphasis: FUCK those mother fuckers. This is a job we need to be working on every single day and it ain't just about black people. Their slow holocaust is joined by the Poor, Native Americans, Hispanic people, LGBT people, Atheists....as a liberal I will stand with all and WOE unto the white people who do not join me. They are part of the problem.

AND Bernie is NOT repeat NOT one of those people.

Sorry to be so long-winded but I think this stuff needs to be said. Thank you for your patience.

....why is it that it is always those talking about race are interrupted by white folks to tell us we are being divisive....?


I see a bit of the problem right here, frankly. The usage of terms like 'always' is something that should be avoided IMO. Is my telling you this considered 'whitesplainin'? I can't help any of that, all I can do is be sincere and honest, as I hope you are. Terms like 'always', 'never'....ANY kind of stereotyping is making the same mistake the white man did. Again this is only my opinion, which you are welcome to disagree with.

And no one feels concern about themy open the door to rat fucking?


Again, I'm sorry but this language just doesn't help. What's this 'no one' business? Where do you get that? If you think my concern about ratfucking only goes in one direction, then you surely don't know me; and I see posters all over DU that have been fair spoken.

I hasten to re-emphasize that this is all only one guy's opinion. If you want to advocate, I should think you would be wanting to win hearts and minds; this kind of language doesn't help. If you are seeking to 'divide', keep on talking that way.

We need each other. We need to avoid stereotyping each other. I have practiced this and will continue to practice it and I hope all people of good will agree.

To conclude: I hope that my opinion doesn't offend. I wish to be part of the Solution. Please do correct me if I've got anything wrong, I can take it to my friends and family of color and get their opinion as well (they find no fault with me last time I checked).

It goes without saying that you don't know me; I could be some Rovian rat fuck bastard trying to make all black people angry. For all I know you could be fucking Ron Christie with Clarence Thomas sitting next to him. How can I know? One indication is how you speak. At that point it's up to my trusty Bullshit Detector.

I wish you a good day. We need each other.
i know I'm new here and all retrowire Aug 2015 #1
Welcome my friend. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #2
i figured that out retrowire Aug 2015 #3
That's why the push back yesterday JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #9
in solidarity. nt retrowire Aug 2015 #10
Some of us ARE crazy, the rest are just tired of the craziness Demeter Aug 2015 #34
what adds salt to the wound is DonCoquixote Aug 2015 #17
Well said! Spazito Aug 2015 #18
Perfectly spot on. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #20
This a 1000 times over blackspade Aug 2015 #48
It is really weird how he wasn't even guilty and he was accused. MADem Aug 2015 #101
I was just on a jury regarding this poster because of his admission of having been banned... Spazito Aug 2015 #112
I was going to say "7 is the best juror of the lot!!!" MADem Aug 2015 #113
The poster has been banned for the third, at least, time... Spazito Aug 2015 #117
I know--I'm glad too, and thank you to Skinner, for that--it is appreciated. nt MADem Aug 2015 #118
Apparently the post that was hidden was pre-edit. Chemisse Aug 2015 #142
I was stunned by that JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #4
Check out post 101--follow the link and you're in for a shock. MADem Aug 2015 #102
AverageGuy was nuked after that post. Chemisse Aug 2015 #141
K&R. If you dare question a sacred cow, you get alert stalked. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #5
The behavior has the duel whammy of being totalitarian and pusillanimous. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #6
Geez... Spazito Aug 2015 #7
That was fucking atrocious. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #8
A spiteful human being JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #12
They are gleeful at shutting down Black posters Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #13
I guess I'm thinking JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #14
I can picture it. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #15
I'm betting there is a nexus. I hope the admins are looking at it. MADem Aug 2015 #121
I hope so too. It seems intentional and very toxic. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #123
Oh no! gollygee Aug 2015 #11
Horrible. This place is crazy sometimes. SonderWoman Aug 2015 #16
or say you're an ally Quayblue Aug 2015 #19
Skinner, hear this DonCoquixote Aug 2015 #21
This was well said! JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #25
Yes. Skidmore Aug 2015 #82
+ a million Number23 Aug 2015 #83
Absolutely right. Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #98
Pls repost in AtA Flying Squirrel Aug 2015 #136
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2015 #139
That shitshow resulted in a hide? JackInGreen Aug 2015 #22
I'm often contrary it not sometimes inquisitive - yet I co-sign this post! JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #27
Some aren't going to be happy until every black voice sufrommich Aug 2015 #23
I think we can leave the candidates themselves out of this discussion.... blackspade Aug 2015 #51
It's not just limited to that. arithia Aug 2015 #81
"Some aren't going to be happy until they have the power to silence discussion about racism, period. Number23 Aug 2015 #85
... Flying Squirrel Aug 2015 #137
I frequently disagree with that poster navarth Aug 2015 #24
And, even in our disagreements ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #50
+1000 blackspade Aug 2015 #52
seems you touched a nerve... onpatrol98 Aug 2015 #66
o snap JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #69
I sincerely hope that you're not making reference to my post navarth Aug 2015 #105
I was addressing 1Strong. onpatrol98 Aug 2015 #106
thank you for the clarification navarth Aug 2015 #110
I don not disagree that the potential for dishonest arguments exist navarth Aug 2015 #79
Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #108
Very well navarth Aug 2015 #111
I realize it's rarely accurate to use "always" or "never"; but ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #114
For me it's not so much a question of 'accuracy' navarth Aug 2015 #128
Okay ... I'm back ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #115
Confused here.... navarth Aug 2015 #129
I will see that and raise you DonCoquixote Aug 2015 #104
1SBM is a powerful and desperately needed voice in DU Half-Century Man Aug 2015 #26
I missed the Hamden Rice kerfuffle but I can say with one hundred percent certainty... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #32
The jurors who voted for that hide should be PPR'd. SunSeeker Aug 2015 #28
THAT was one of the pettiest moves Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #29
This is an anonymous message board. gordianot Aug 2015 #30
I've always respected 1StrongBlackMan. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #31
Add giftedgirl77 to the list Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #33
Just like with Bravenak, both hides were done very late at night and early morning... Spazito Aug 2015 #38
That's bullshit. zappaman Aug 2015 #44
And I suspect ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #54
How do they manage to stack the juries? blackspade Aug 2015 #57
I think it is jury shopping... Spazito Aug 2015 #71
Wow, that makes alert stalking even shittier that I already thought it was. blackspade Aug 2015 #72
It's the only way I can see to explain what has been happening... Spazito Aug 2015 #73
All I know is that I'm about done with this place. blackspade Aug 2015 #74
Yes, I find myself feeling the same... Spazito Aug 2015 #75
Roger that. blackspade Aug 2015 #76
I'd love it if the admins could tweak the algorithm.... MADem Aug 2015 #119
I am not sure that would solve the problem... Spazito Aug 2015 #120
Of course they aren't exclusive to one group, but often people who are adherents to one MADem Aug 2015 #122
I am both saddened and frustrated by the changes I see as well... Spazito Aug 2015 #124
+1,000! nt MADem Aug 2015 #125
Wouldnt skinner have noticed if that was going on? cstanleytech Aug 2015 #130
Who knows, I certainly hope he is noticing... Spazito Aug 2015 #131
Ya but if the logs dont support the theory what changes could or should he do? cstanleytech Aug 2015 #132
Look at how juries are working and NOT working... Spazito Aug 2015 #133
Tweaking it how? Back to the old jury system? cstanleytech Aug 2015 #134
If I had all the answers, I would have posted them at ATA... Spazito Aug 2015 #135
Oh wow I just looked at that. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #90
This garbage needs to stop. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #35
K&R BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #36
It is pusillanimous behavior . It is appalling. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #39
Here's a DU2 thread about it from this forum BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #46
Exactly. He was banned, what six-seven years ago? And some folks are STILL WHINING ABOUT HIM Number23 Aug 2015 #84
Yup and you can see the pattern as clear as day BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #86
It's bad enough that Hartmann noticed? SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #89
He posted a link to a video of a portion of his show BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #91
OK, that's the last straw. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #92
I never thought of that - they were deliberately baiting him . . . JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #40
I maintain that a bunch of them are BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #47
Or, they spend time at DI ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #53
I wish you hadn't too JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #65
WTF is going on around here!? blackspade Aug 2015 #37
It's outrageous, but not surprising. Sheldon Cooper Aug 2015 #41
He Dared Speak up in yet Another BS Groupthink Thread lib87 Aug 2015 #42
As a Bernie supporter, SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #93
It's Weird to see Here lib87 Aug 2015 #95
Re disclaimer, yep, for real. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #97
I've done it numerous times . Like you said put a disclaimer or your comments can be taken Person 2713 Aug 2015 #103
What is more fucking outrageous is that the post accusing him.... Indydem Aug 2015 #43
Take special note of Jurors 4 and 7 ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #56
Juror 7 Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #68
Your response to the baiting and stalking in that thread could not have been more on point Number23 Aug 2015 #87
Thank you my friend; but, one correct ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #45
Just when I think it can't go any lower brer cat Aug 2015 #49
DU is like The Taming of the Shrew, Act IV, Scene 5: freshwest Aug 2015 #94
I read the various posts and can only conclude that 1SBM was unfairly accused. guillaumeb Aug 2015 #55
Thank you. I'm pretty slow on the uptake at times ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #58
If you are slow on the uptake it must be only those posts that I have not read. guillaumeb Aug 2015 #62
And ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #70
^THIS^ nt SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #99
When group delusion replaces awareness, Jim Jones leads the flock guillaumeb Aug 2015 #116
DU rec... SidDithers Aug 2015 #59
I don't think Skinner and crew know how to fix it either BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #61
Yep, the mod model had its issues as well. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #100
IMHO BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #107
Exactly. SusanCalvin Aug 2015 #109
Precisely DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #127
And Indydem just got a hide in the giftedgirl thread BumRushDaShow Aug 2015 #60
Seems to me like some people can't handle 1SBM d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #63
They can't debate him successfully, so they appear to be going for the next best thing. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2015 #64
I will do what I can to, as politely as possible, push back when I see it. GitRDun Aug 2015 #67
That hide was wrong. progressoid Aug 2015 #77
Just when I think DU can't sink any lower, it does. emulatorloo Aug 2015 #78
You are by no means alone. Number23 Aug 2015 #88
This is egregious mcar Aug 2015 #80
What's this about accusing 1StrongBlackMan of being someone besides who he is? I missed Cha Aug 2015 #96
The hidden post was edited, he said, so as not to get a hide. Chemisse Aug 2015 #126
The alert was sent immediately after his post was made... countryjake Aug 2015 #138
Thanks. That makes a LOT more sense. Chemisse Aug 2015 #140
I've been on juries before where posters were goaded into angry replies, countryjake Aug 2015 #143
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