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napoleon_in_rags

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2. "The believers believe because humans told them to" Not I.

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 18, 2012, 09:54 PM

Feb 2012

My faith is pure, I embrace science, I embrace all challenges to it as further illumination. I love the atheists for their spiritual purity, for instance. I have fear of nothing divine for gays. This world is how it is.

Why make this a battle against religious like me instead of a battle FOR reason? Don't you understand that I love science, but have within me my faith? Why not narrow your focus down to those few theists who think they have the right to rule through ignorance, instead of focusing on me and my kind?

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What's wrong with religion is that it has always enabled people like... [View all] MarkCharles Feb 2012 OP

The problem with religion The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2012 #1

"The believers believe because humans told them to" Not I. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2012 #2

I'm not picking on you or anybody; sorry if you took it that way. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2012 #3

People in observation of phenomenon, I believe. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2012 #6

"Why make this a battle against religious like me instead of ..." MarkCharles Feb 2012 #4

And that's one of the problems with religion: The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2012 #5

What if I replace the word "faith" with the word "knife" in the above? napoleon_in_rags Feb 2012 #10

I think you are missing my point, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2012 #14

Then I stand with you 100% napoleon_in_rags Feb 2012 #15

What is it you believe on faith alone? cleanhippie Feb 2012 #16

I believe in the capacity of faith, on faith. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2012 #17

I agree religion and the one God are unprovable. part man all 86 Feb 2012 #12

In the holy bible, satan is the prince of the air, part man all 86 Feb 2012 #7

I thought the Mayans said the world was going to end next December. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2012 #8

no the 400 year cycle ends on 21 december 2012, but the 800 year cycle is still running. part man all 86 Feb 2012 #9

the world is not ending that is not in the holy bible part man all 86 Feb 2012 #11

That's not a good enough reason. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2012 #13

You have a serious habit of lumping all religion together and humblebum Feb 2012 #18

And now for the comic relief... darkstar3 Feb 2012 #19

Yes, comic relief is one area that you definitely excel in. That humblebum Feb 2012 #20

Your accusations are as accurate as your attempt at reversal is effective. darkstar3 Feb 2012 #21

Yeh. nt humblebum Feb 2012 #22

* cleanhippie Feb 2012 #24

If he gets CT, it won't be from right clicking. darkstar3 Feb 2012 #25

As usual, you show that you have no coherent argument, so you resort to the old humblebum Feb 2012 #27

Where everyone sees contradiction, you see confirmation, right? cleanhippie Feb 2012 #32

Because edhopper Feb 2012 #26

No unless you had money or raw power on your side they were both about the Leontius Feb 2012 #30

Sure edhopper Feb 2012 #37

And one lead to the Renaisance and the other to Capitalism. Leontius Feb 2012 #40

The Renaissance followed the Dark Ages edhopper Feb 2012 #42

Typical of you to miss the point so badly skepticscott Feb 2012 #28

Well, it's nice to see you finally admit to atheism being narrow-minded. humblebum Feb 2012 #29

Nice to see that skepticscott Feb 2012 #31

I have often said that it was very narrowly focused, as well as narrow-minded. And, humblebum Feb 2012 #33

* cleanhippie Feb 2012 #34

Obviously you have no clue skepticscott Feb 2012 #35

Oh, I clearly know the difference. Except, in your case, they mesh. nt humblebum Feb 2012 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author cleanhippie Feb 2012 #41

Yeah, because deeply-religious regimes really encourage free-thought and dissent, don't they? mr blur Feb 2012 #38

You mean like atheistic regimes? nt humblebum Feb 2012 #39

The world that there can be evidence for isn't big enough for human beings to live in... saras Feb 2012 #23

You could also put it this way: GliderGuider Feb 2012 #43

No, I couldn't put it that way. That's like saying... MarkCharles Feb 2012 #44

So why is this not happening in other Western nations? GliderGuider Feb 2012 #45

I would guess you haven't traveled very far from America MarkCharles Feb 2012 #47

Your guess is wrong, but you had no way of knowing that. GliderGuider Feb 2012 #49

Well, then, I stand corrected. MarkCharles Feb 2012 #53

That's much better, thanks. GliderGuider Feb 2012 #56

In that case, you MUST include militant atheist fanaticism. Because humblebum Feb 2012 #46

Your comments always bring a chuckle....Which candidates.. MarkCharles Feb 2012 #48

Then I was correct in my assessment of your credentials as an historian. humblebum Feb 2012 #50

You might consider recording a dub-step version of... MarkCharles Feb 2012 #55

Then I was correct in my assessment of your credentials as an historian. humblebum Feb 2012 #57

Ignoring all those dozens of religious wars in history,... MarkCharles Feb 2012 #58

Well, I would say that you are still displaying a very limited grasp of history. humblebum Feb 2012 #59

Yes, I'm proud of my "limited grasp" so limited... MarkCharles Feb 2012 #60

You are still relying on the same old ad homs and vacuous arguments, when you should humblebum Feb 2012 #61

To quote you accurately: " I am not really concerned about why or how MarkCharles Feb 2012 #62

Those other variables of which you speak mean little when the numbers are so pronounced. humblebum Feb 2012 #63

"other variables of which you speak mean little when the numbers are so pronounced" MarkCharles Feb 2012 #64

You are seriously doing a dance to avoid the most obvious point, humblebum Feb 2012 #65

. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #51

Um? Who is posting the most broken records around here? Oh yeh! humblebum Feb 2012 #52

. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #54