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edhopper

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8. The "heavens" started some 14 billion years ago,

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:41 AM

Feb 2014

the earth 4 or 5. So not even close. And then there is the problem of the Sun being created after the Earth, birds and fish together, seas before the land, etc...
Not accurate at all really.

And language didn't happen until a feww hundred thousand years ago, so this "Word" thing has always been a meaningless metaphor to me.

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Perspective... [View all] cleanhippie Feb 2014 OP

That graphic, progressoid Feb 2014 #1

Perspective, indeed! FiveGoodMen Feb 2014 #2

Except the Torah (and the other books beyond those five), the New Testament, and the Quran proclaim rug Feb 2014 #3

well no, the cosmology of the time had "the heavens" as a shell around earth. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #7

+1 cleanhippie Feb 2014 #10

You're assumig the Scripture of the time is a cosmology. rug Feb 2014 #12

I was respoinding to your absurd claim regarding the biblical cosmology. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #15

I made no claim about cosmology. The absurd claim about biblical cosmology is in the OP. rug Feb 2014 #24

um yes you did, but carry on. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #26

um, no I didn't. rug Feb 2014 #27

The "heavens" started some 14 billion years ago, edhopper Feb 2014 #8

+1 cleanhippie Feb 2014 #11

Which has exactly what to do withthe post you're responding to? rug Feb 2014 #13

I guess I have no idea what you were trying to say with your post then. edhopper Feb 2014 #29

When backed into a corner by one's own statements, best to pretend that Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #67

Everywhere else, there's Xenu Act_of_Reparation Feb 2014 #4

Uh-uh. rug Feb 2014 #5

That's an interesting series of charts, and it might help me understand something about struggle4progress Feb 2014 #6

That's nice, except this graphic wasn't intended to help you with any of that. cleanhippie Feb 2014 #9

An "object" like "the Virgo Supercluster" is just a way of organizing certain detector data struggle4progress Feb 2014 #14

True edhopper Feb 2014 #16

Not everyone's religion aims at "description of cosmic reality" struggle4progress Feb 2014 #17

True, not everyone's. trotsky Feb 2014 #18

You would do better to discuss your own views, rather than putting words in others' mouths struggle4progress Feb 2014 #19

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you believed that your god created the cosmos. trotsky Feb 2014 #20

That, in my view, is not and cannot be a scientific theory, as I have often said here for years struggle4progress Feb 2014 #22

On the contrary, that's the granddaddy of all scientific theories. trotsky Feb 2014 #23

See #17 upthread struggle4progress Feb 2014 #25

See #18 upthread. n/t trotsky Feb 2014 #35

85% of Americans believe in creationism of some kind... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2014 #49

The poster in #18 purports to tell me what my religion says, my views notwithstanding struggle4progress Feb 2014 #51

The poster in #17 is apparently having difficulty grasping that... trotsky Feb 2014 #57

Contrary to what you might think... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2014 #59

Maybe you need a nap? Maybe have some milk and cookies after you're rested? struggle4progress Feb 2014 #61

I'll take that as the capitulation it is. n/t Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #68

I think you may find the following article interesting struggle4progress Mar 2014 #69

I would find it interesting... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #71

Physics is interested in reality edhopper Feb 2014 #30

I consider your philosophy of science murky. Let us try to make our ideas clear struggle4progress Feb 2014 #40

sorry you had to write so much for so little results edhopper Feb 2014 #42

Which physicists in your opinion search for supernatural phenomena? struggle4progress Feb 2014 #43

First I would suggest edhopper Feb 2014 #44

I provided a philosophical analysis, explaining why I think physics does not and cannot struggle4progress Feb 2014 #45

It is the very notion skepticscott Feb 2014 #47

That would only be true edhopper Feb 2014 #48

Science has investigated things skepticscott Feb 2014 #53

We have a different definition of supernatural edhopper Feb 2014 #62

Just out of curiosity skepticscott Feb 2014 #63

something that happens outside or counter too edhopper Feb 2014 #64

That sounds like much the same thing, stated differently skepticscott Feb 2014 #65

True edhopper Feb 2014 #66

If something happens counter to known laws then the laws are wrong and will be reworked. eomer Mar 2014 #72

This is all semantics edhopper Mar 2014 #73

Agreed. The supernatural doesn't exist, in fact makes no sense, by definition. eomer Mar 2014 #74

Actually, Hawking has shown that nothingness conditions prior to the bing bang AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #46

Independent of any religious view, Hawking's popular claim that struggle4progress Feb 2014 #50

Not at all. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #52

If you wish to reason from crude summaries, and to introduce further physical hypotheses struggle4progress Feb 2014 #54

I refer you to Krauss and Hawking. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #56

On the Origin of Everything (Sunday NYT Book Review) struggle4progress Feb 2014 #58

That presumes that the God of the Bible (or the Torah or Koran or any other faith) el_bryanto Feb 2014 #21

I'm not sure what that means? edhopper Feb 2014 #28

No - I believe that God Created the Universe el_bryanto Feb 2014 #31

Yes, edhopper Feb 2014 #32

Nods - this is sort of the chasm that can't really be crossed el_bryanto Feb 2014 #33

As long as you realize edhopper Feb 2014 #34

What you seem to mean skepticscott Feb 2014 #37

I understand that's your interpretation. el_bryanto Feb 2014 #38

Well, delusional is another way skepticscott Feb 2014 #39

Replace LORD with DONALD Lordquinton Feb 2014 #36

That's an awful lot of scenery for one small stage... uriel1972 Feb 2014 #41

Creator nil desperandum Feb 2014 #55

That is right. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #60

People seem to forget that YHWH is a tribal god, born from a polytheistic pantheon... Humanist_Activist Mar 2014 #70