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edhopper

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28. I'm not sure what that means?

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 06:48 PM

Feb 2014

Those books, clearly state God created the Universe, I see nothing that would help confirm that.

Are you talking about a different interpretation of God?

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Perspective... [View all] cleanhippie Feb 2014 OP

That graphic, progressoid Feb 2014 #1

Perspective, indeed! FiveGoodMen Feb 2014 #2

Except the Torah (and the other books beyond those five), the New Testament, and the Quran proclaim rug Feb 2014 #3

well no, the cosmology of the time had "the heavens" as a shell around earth. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #7

+1 cleanhippie Feb 2014 #10

You're assumig the Scripture of the time is a cosmology. rug Feb 2014 #12

I was respoinding to your absurd claim regarding the biblical cosmology. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #15

I made no claim about cosmology. The absurd claim about biblical cosmology is in the OP. rug Feb 2014 #24

um yes you did, but carry on. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #26

um, no I didn't. rug Feb 2014 #27

The "heavens" started some 14 billion years ago, edhopper Feb 2014 #8

+1 cleanhippie Feb 2014 #11

Which has exactly what to do withthe post you're responding to? rug Feb 2014 #13

I guess I have no idea what you were trying to say with your post then. edhopper Feb 2014 #29

When backed into a corner by one's own statements, best to pretend that Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #67

Everywhere else, there's Xenu Act_of_Reparation Feb 2014 #4

Uh-uh. rug Feb 2014 #5

That's an interesting series of charts, and it might help me understand something about struggle4progress Feb 2014 #6

That's nice, except this graphic wasn't intended to help you with any of that. cleanhippie Feb 2014 #9

An "object" like "the Virgo Supercluster" is just a way of organizing certain detector data struggle4progress Feb 2014 #14

True edhopper Feb 2014 #16

Not everyone's religion aims at "description of cosmic reality" struggle4progress Feb 2014 #17

True, not everyone's. trotsky Feb 2014 #18

You would do better to discuss your own views, rather than putting words in others' mouths struggle4progress Feb 2014 #19

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you believed that your god created the cosmos. trotsky Feb 2014 #20

That, in my view, is not and cannot be a scientific theory, as I have often said here for years struggle4progress Feb 2014 #22

On the contrary, that's the granddaddy of all scientific theories. trotsky Feb 2014 #23

See #17 upthread struggle4progress Feb 2014 #25

See #18 upthread. n/t trotsky Feb 2014 #35

85% of Americans believe in creationism of some kind... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2014 #49

The poster in #18 purports to tell me what my religion says, my views notwithstanding struggle4progress Feb 2014 #51

The poster in #17 is apparently having difficulty grasping that... trotsky Feb 2014 #57

Contrary to what you might think... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2014 #59

Maybe you need a nap? Maybe have some milk and cookies after you're rested? struggle4progress Feb 2014 #61

I'll take that as the capitulation it is. n/t Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #68

I think you may find the following article interesting struggle4progress Mar 2014 #69

I would find it interesting... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #71

Physics is interested in reality edhopper Feb 2014 #30

I consider your philosophy of science murky. Let us try to make our ideas clear struggle4progress Feb 2014 #40

sorry you had to write so much for so little results edhopper Feb 2014 #42

Which physicists in your opinion search for supernatural phenomena? struggle4progress Feb 2014 #43

First I would suggest edhopper Feb 2014 #44

I provided a philosophical analysis, explaining why I think physics does not and cannot struggle4progress Feb 2014 #45

It is the very notion skepticscott Feb 2014 #47

That would only be true edhopper Feb 2014 #48

Science has investigated things skepticscott Feb 2014 #53

We have a different definition of supernatural edhopper Feb 2014 #62

Just out of curiosity skepticscott Feb 2014 #63

something that happens outside or counter too edhopper Feb 2014 #64

That sounds like much the same thing, stated differently skepticscott Feb 2014 #65

True edhopper Feb 2014 #66

If something happens counter to known laws then the laws are wrong and will be reworked. eomer Mar 2014 #72

This is all semantics edhopper Mar 2014 #73

Agreed. The supernatural doesn't exist, in fact makes no sense, by definition. eomer Mar 2014 #74

Actually, Hawking has shown that nothingness conditions prior to the bing bang AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #46

Independent of any religious view, Hawking's popular claim that struggle4progress Feb 2014 #50

Not at all. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #52

If you wish to reason from crude summaries, and to introduce further physical hypotheses struggle4progress Feb 2014 #54

I refer you to Krauss and Hawking. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #56

On the Origin of Everything (Sunday NYT Book Review) struggle4progress Feb 2014 #58

That presumes that the God of the Bible (or the Torah or Koran or any other faith) el_bryanto Feb 2014 #21

I'm not sure what that means? edhopper Feb 2014 #28

No - I believe that God Created the Universe el_bryanto Feb 2014 #31

Yes, edhopper Feb 2014 #32

Nods - this is sort of the chasm that can't really be crossed el_bryanto Feb 2014 #33

As long as you realize edhopper Feb 2014 #34

What you seem to mean skepticscott Feb 2014 #37

I understand that's your interpretation. el_bryanto Feb 2014 #38

Well, delusional is another way skepticscott Feb 2014 #39

Replace LORD with DONALD Lordquinton Feb 2014 #36

That's an awful lot of scenery for one small stage... uriel1972 Feb 2014 #41

Creator nil desperandum Feb 2014 #55

That is right. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #60

People seem to forget that YHWH is a tribal god, born from a polytheistic pantheon... Humanist_Activist Mar 2014 #70