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struggle4progress

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20. I don't know the case law. Some states explicitly require notaries to perform their duties
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:19 PM
Mar 2014

without partiality; and I should expect such impartial performance would generally be expected of public officials in any state; the standards of national organizations might carry some weight, were this matter to land in court, and perhaps someone interested in the matter will find impartiality listed as an expected standard by some national notary organization, though I myself am too lazy to scan such documents in search of it

If one can demonstrate impartiality as an expected legal standard for notaries (as I strongly suspect one can), it is still not absolutely clear to me how the matter would resolve in court, since (for example) the notary in question might make some argument as "I was unable to maintain impartiality here and so sought another notary" -- and that may not always be a specious argument: notaries are sometimes advised, say, not to notarize documents of family members, on the grounds that their impartiality might be questionable; and one can imagine other circumstances in which a notary might question his/her own ability to perform the act impartially and hence might appropriately direct the requester to another notary

I've never discussed document contents with a notary: the notary just adds (by stamp) legally-required boiler-plate for the notarization, embosses the document with a notary seal, then signs the stamp. But I don't know what NJ law requires

I can't really understand why a notary would act as reported here, and it seems silly to me. But the details are sketchy, and so far the only ordinary media source is the Washington Times, which just reports the AA version, without further investigative effort, so I won't pretend to know much about the story, other than what AA says happened

She needs to have her commission pulled Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #1
I can't believe what she did is completely legal LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #3
It isn't. I am a notary, and she should have her commission pulled. When Nay Mar 2014 #12
I agree LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #14
That's interesting -- VA has a long code of conduct that I haven't read in years, Nay Mar 2014 #17
Pure discrimination. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #2
I am going to remain skeptical about this until there is more information. cbayer Mar 2014 #4
Always a good strategy LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #8
I'm very glad you posted it and hope that more information becomes available. cbayer Mar 2014 #9
Looks like there are two other stories right now el_bryanto Mar 2014 #16
I saw that, but they are all sourcing there information from the same place. cbayer Mar 2014 #18
Help Help I'm being oppressed! prommie Mar 2014 #5
Welcome to DU LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #6
Welcome to DU and to the religion group, prommie. cbayer Mar 2014 #7
Pretty early in your career to come in here with the snark. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #11
Why would the Atheist be embarrassed Politicalboi Mar 2014 #10
Well it was in a public place - i don't think she was embarrassed to be an atheist el_bryanto Mar 2014 #15
Here's the NJ Notary Public Manual: struggle4progress Mar 2014 #13
Interesting. There's nothing in there that specifically gives a notary the right to Nay Mar 2014 #19
I don't know the case law. Some states explicitly require notaries to perform their duties struggle4progress Mar 2014 #20
You can't understand? Seriously? skepticscott Mar 2014 #23
Lots of folk say and do stuff I don't understand. Take trolling on the internet, for example. struggle4progress Mar 2014 #26
They do it because they're bigots skepticscott Mar 2014 #34
As a representative of a state and given powers by a state, I would assume Nay Mar 2014 #29
If you read the post with the statement from the bank below, cbayer Mar 2014 #30
Oh, I agree. I'm just discussing what-ifs. I've had to consult with other notaries myself as a Nay Mar 2014 #31
Thanks for the insight on this. cbayer Mar 2014 #32
After SCOTUS rules edhopper Mar 2014 #21
I call bullshit. rug Mar 2014 #22
Statement from the bank: cbayer Mar 2014 #24
I call BS Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #25
The NJ manual lists several different forms of documents to notarize, indicating struggle4progress Mar 2014 #28
Confusion is not "personal reasons" skepticscott Mar 2014 #36
We now have two quite different accounts. I don't have ESP so can't reconcile them struggle4progress Mar 2014 #37
The only one saying that is Amanda Knief. rug Mar 2014 #40
Well the only one saying "Personal Reasons" wasn't part of the discussion is the Bank. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #45
And Knief has a political motive for claiming it. rug Mar 2014 #47
Does she? How much hay are they really going to be able to make over this. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #48
I didn't say she was any good at it. rug Mar 2014 #49
Yeah. Fine. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #39
See the statement from the bank in #24 struggle4progress Mar 2014 #41
See the OP Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #43
We now have two quite different accounts. I don't have ESP so can't reconcile them struggle4progress Mar 2014 #53
I missed that declaration on the private school "not girly enough" thread. Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #54
Yes, that is my general impression of the "inerrant infallible Bible" folk struggle4progress Mar 2014 #55
Occam's razor is not bullshit. rug Mar 2014 #33
Occam's razor is not bullshit. AlbertCat Mar 2014 #62
Given that William of Ockham was a Franciscan friar and that he postulated his razor as a means rug Mar 2014 #63
So you suspect Silverman of phonying up the incident skepticscott Mar 2014 #35
She didn't say that. I will. rug Mar 2014 #38
according to the article Niceguy1 Mar 2014 #27
Not at all important if you prefer to argue... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #42
So if an atheist notary had said the same thing Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #44
You have to prove discrimination... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #46
So if a black person sits down in a restaurant skepticscott Mar 2014 #50
We're back to the first question of just what happened... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #51
"We really don't know it happened that way." Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #52
THe school's bad attitude is on the record, unlike the bank's, and... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #57
No, we're not skepticscott Mar 2014 #56
So, in said hypothetical situation my first reaction should be... TreasonousBastard Mar 2014 #58
Um...yeah skepticscott Mar 2014 #59
hmmm struggle4progress Mar 2014 #60
Since you're spreading this crap here, too. Let me explain for the readers here Goblinmonger Mar 2014 #61
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