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In reply to the discussion: OR couple whose daughter died untreated wants faith-healing beliefs kept from jury [View all]Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)27. define "cult"
I tried upthread. It seems that "cult" is basically a religion you don't like.
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OR couple whose daughter died untreated wants faith-healing beliefs kept from jury [View all]
cleanhippie
Apr 2014
OP
It's not just cults; the massive Copeland televangelist church, their daughter, did the same
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#8
Cult: noun, a religious sect that does something too embarrassing to defend.
Warren Stupidity
Apr 2014
#12
So, Baptists, Catholics, and Protestants cannot simultaneously claim to be christians?
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#74
Pretty sure all three groups would reject the idea that they are worshipping different gods.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#117
So, I see the President as something of a progressive on most issues. Moderate on some, but progress
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#124
Recent estimates say 4% of the population actually attends church regularly. A few more watch it
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#83
Modern Christians desperately try to dissociate themselves from the obvious sins of other churches.
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#90
The judge threw out earlier examples; clearly censoring reality. Probably from religious impulse
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#2
Of course it won't. There is little consistency when it comes to those that say that.
cleanhippie
Apr 2014
#5
Rather than acceptance and confession? Expect violent verbal attacks;character assassination; Denial
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#10
Or? A typical church cover-up. When it is accused of murder - it removes the evidence?
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#11
Lots of times what goes down in writing, and what is said in church, is different
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#33
I have no idea, you're the one claiming there is something special about believing in a god -
trotsky
Apr 2014
#105
Next step to take for what? I asked a question, and the answer seems to be "nothing".
cleanhippie
Apr 2014
#120
Any "agenda" I might have could be summarized thusly: Think critically about our beliefs.
cleanhippie
Apr 2014
#147
Except that you are fairly certain that if i think critically about my beliefs
el_bryanto
Apr 2014
#149
When it gets down to the brass tacks of thinking critically about your beliefs, your response
cleanhippie
Apr 2014
#150
Still, I'd say El Byranto has eventually shown more impartiality and objectivity than many
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#19
I would say their particular brand of religious belief led them directly to it.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#61
Not a good word choice unless of course you are implying that it was their intent to kill their
Leontius
Apr 2014
#29
Probably criminal neglect or manslaughter would be better; or perhaps Murder 2
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#31
Yeah that make so much sense , I always hear people referring to God as "they".
Leontius
Apr 2014
#37
So your take is that they were unable to distinguish reality from their religious delusions
Leontius
Apr 2014
#42
Often believing "absurd" things, even when clear evidence disproves them, is culpable ignorance
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#45
You've asked no question tough or otherwise to evade but you have sidestepped yourself
Leontius
Apr 2014
#52
You apparently didn't retread my post after the edit or are choosing to ignore it.
cleanhippie
Apr 2014
#53
I retreaded it but still no question asked, just four lines of poorly stated opinion is all I see.
Leontius
Apr 2014
#54
Your inability to articulate an advanced thought beyond a childish insult is just sad.
cleanhippie
Apr 2014
#148
Oh please when you go into your childish little act, and you always do, don't try
Leontius
Apr 2014
#154
When your parents get home tell them the mean man called you a childish clown.
Leontius
Apr 2014
#157
Woops! Forgot another evasive technique by believers: quibbling over minor points
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#43
Oh bullshit, the post was plainly referring to the parents not God so any attempt at misdirection
Leontius
Apr 2014
#46
I'm confused, if they don't bring their faith into it, what is their defense?
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#59
Belief in faith-healing is no longer a defense in Oregon. I might guess they'll argue
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#70
Possibly a proper motion in some sense; but it seeks to deny probable motive, and history of accused
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#86
Motive and past criminal history have no place in any criminal trial, with rare, specific exceptions
rug
Apr 2014
#146
Here some legal sources seem to consider motive indirectly, in Murder cases:
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#164
It's not clear to me that the granting of their motion helps them much. Belief in faith-healing
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#81
So what's the insult count up to? Brettongarcia predicted 1,000 insults from believers like myself?
el_bryanto
Apr 2014
#82
Yep - I think all of the child killing believers who post at DU should watch their step. nt
el_bryanto
Apr 2014
#89
Easy to do; when all that involves is going to the doctor a little too late
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#91
Yep - I don't have any kids to kill myself, thank goodness, but please DU Believers
el_bryanto
Apr 2014
#92
Or denying OTHER kids health care; vs. Obamacare say. Or denying foreign aid. Or ..
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#93
If you are not personally guilty, then how about talking to other Christians who might be?
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#95
For those who are, then great. Our present discussion might help with talking points
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#100
Well yes, I agree that your talking points about how religion kills kid is very beneficial
el_bryanto
Apr 2014
#102
Many liberal believers agree that there are at least bad ASPECTS to SOME religion
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#103
My reading of the Bible finds it ordering believers to embrace science, over faith & "religion"
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#145
Faith kills another child: this is an extremely important case, pointing to the key sin in religion
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#88
It wasn't meant as a direct reference to that poster, just the concept of a 'false god'.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#142
Determination of guilt or innocence here will turn on whether the facts presented show
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#159
The couple’s attorneys argued that evidence of their religious beliefs were irrelevant..
nil desperandum
Apr 2014
#134
The charge is manslaughter. But future prosecutors might consider Murder 2?
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#163
The grand jury indicted for manslaughter. On Wednesday I posted a link to the indictment
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#165
Manslaughter seems best, and easy to do. But I'm suggesting future cases consider Murder 2.
Brettongarcia
Apr 2014
#166