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el_bryanto

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158. In your opinion - and of course that's not exactly what I said
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 06:11 PM
Apr 2014

What I have said is that I can't prove the existence of God; I suppose I should have gone on to say that one can only come to know God through interacting with him.

Bryant

I'm so sick of these damn cults killing children. LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #1
82 dead kids since 1976. What. The. Fuck. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #3
It's not just cults; the massive Copeland televangelist church, their daughter, did the same Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #8
Cult: noun, a religious sect that does something too embarrassing to defend. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #12
Nothing is too embarrassing skepticscott Apr 2014 #13
Copeland's church is a cult Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #26
define "cult" Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #27
Per the dictionary Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #34
"not part of a larger and more accepted religion" Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #38
Per the dictionary, Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #50
You've wrapped yourself up around the axle of your own argument. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #67
You can't be worshping the same god when Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #71
So, Baptists, Catholics, and Protestants cannot simultaneously claim to be christians? AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #74
Sure, Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #76
Pretty sure all three groups would reject the idea that they are worshipping different gods. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #117
And flat earthers reject that the world is round Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #123
So, I see the President as something of a progressive on most issues. Moderate on some, but progress AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #124
No, because we know Obama ACTUALLY exists Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #138
It's like trying to define the word "blue." MADem Apr 2014 #153
And tithing isn't a 'neat trick for fleecing the flock'? AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #64
Again, I have no problem Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #72
Look at that CDC article, hit control-F and look for the word 'may'. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #73
That's science Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #77
No, that's unpublished speculation. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #115
Sorry, missed that Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #128
A cult with millions of TV viewers/participants? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #30
I heard a better definition than size FiveGoodMen Apr 2014 #41
Copeland claims to have "millions of viewers" Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #79
Recent estimates say 4% of the population actually attends church regularly. A few more watch it Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #83
Actually more influential... Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #122
I don't think shatner EVER had a flat stomach. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #125
Ah, cut him some slack Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #132
Modern Christians desperately try to dissociate themselves from the obvious sins of other churches. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #90
Excellent point Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #131
The judge threw out earlier examples; clearly censoring reality. Probably from religious impulse Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #2
"Who are we to judge their sincerely held beliefs?" Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #4
Of course it won't. There is little consistency when it comes to those that say that. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #5
When did motive become irrelevant in a court of law? LiberalAndProud Apr 2014 #6
Exactly, elleng Apr 2014 #127
These tragic events present a very difficult scenario for some to accept. trotsky Apr 2014 #7
Rather than acceptance and confession? Expect violent verbal attacks;character assassination; Denial Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #10
I spent 3 minutes mining the Googles... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2014 #9
Or? A typical church cover-up. When it is accused of murder - it removes the evidence? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #11
Second hit I came up with Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #28
Lots of times what goes down in writing, and what is said in church, is different Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #33
I agree Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #35
That website makes FR appear state-of-the-art by comparison n/t arcane1 Apr 2014 #49
It's almost like believers don't have to participate in this thread el_bryanto Apr 2014 #14
Thank you Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #15
That said I am a believer and I feel no personal responsibility for this el_bryanto Apr 2014 #16
You have no personal responsibility for this act, that is true. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #17
And yet somehow I sleep just fine. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #18
I don't find that surprising in the least. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #20
We've discussed it plenty - but you set up impossible rhetorical traps el_bryanto Apr 2014 #22
Sounds like someone's complaints skepticscott Apr 2014 #25
I know the answer, do you? cleanhippie Apr 2014 #32
I can give the answer for Christianity el_bryanto Apr 2014 #44
What is it that you see as value that cannot be gotten sucularly? cleanhippie Apr 2014 #51
To me that question is like saying el_bryanto Apr 2014 #55
So what are these "spiritual benefits"? And are they universal? cleanhippie Apr 2014 #57
I think it's a very apt analogy. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #65
No, the analogy is poor. trotsky Apr 2014 #97
It depends on your point of view el_bryanto Apr 2014 #98
Then it's a poor analogy, period. trotsky Apr 2014 #99
Well exactly. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #101
I have no idea, you're the one claiming there is something special about believing in a god - trotsky Apr 2014 #105
Well I'm not literally trying to convert anybody el_bryanto Apr 2014 #106
I dunno, cleanhippie can explain for himself what he thinks. trotsky Apr 2014 #107
I have explained it el_bryanto Apr 2014 #108
Why would I refuse? trotsky Apr 2014 #133
You seem to be making assumptions that you cannot, or will not, prove. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #109
In order to prove my assumptions I'd have to prove the existence of God el_bryanto Apr 2014 #110
I think you are on to something here. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #111
The question is where does the burden of proof lie el_bryanto Apr 2014 #112
The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #113
We are both making claims aren't we? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #114
No, we are not. I'm asking a question. You are making a claim. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #118
I cannot prove my claims about the existence of God el_bryanto Apr 2014 #119
Next step to take for what? I asked a question, and the answer seems to be "nothing". cleanhippie Apr 2014 #120
You get to it there at the end of your post. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #121
I cannot tell you how to live your life. That is up to you. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #137
Well I see hypothetical merits in that argument if there is no God. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #139
Any "agenda" I might have could be summarized thusly: Think critically about our beliefs. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #147
Except that you are fairly certain that if i think critically about my beliefs el_bryanto Apr 2014 #149
When it gets down to the brass tacks of thinking critically about your beliefs, your response cleanhippie Apr 2014 #150
Thank you - I'm glad you acknowledged it. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #151
No, you get credit for thinking critically when you think critically. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #156
In your opinion - and of course that's not exactly what I said el_bryanto Apr 2014 #158
Prove it. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #161
Still, I'd say El Byranto has eventually shown more impartiality and objectivity than many Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #19
I woul agree that EB is one of the most reasonable believers here. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #21
Nor do I hold you personally responsible. LiberalAndProud Apr 2014 #23
'Played a role in it'. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #58
Ah - so tell me - I'm always excited to learn el_bryanto Apr 2014 #60
I would say their particular brand of religious belief led them directly to it. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #61
Is this thread intended to be a condemnation of religion in general? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #62
Very few faiths actually have this sort of prohibition. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #63
Here's a practical example. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #66
Murderers, that's what they are, EvilAL Apr 2014 #24
Not a good word choice unless of course you are implying that it was their intent to kill their Leontius Apr 2014 #29
Probably criminal neglect or manslaughter would be better; or perhaps Murder 2 Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #31
Perhaps he means God is the murderer? cleanhippie Apr 2014 #36
Yeah that make so much sense , I always hear people referring to God as "they". Leontius Apr 2014 #37
Whoosh! Goes the point over your head. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #39
So your take is that they were unable to distinguish reality from their religious delusions Leontius Apr 2014 #42
Often believing "absurd" things, even when clear evidence disproves them, is culpable ignorance Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #45
Lol. Hardly. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #48
You've asked no question tough or otherwise to evade but you have sidestepped yourself Leontius Apr 2014 #52
You apparently didn't retread my post after the edit or are choosing to ignore it. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #53
I retreaded it but still no question asked, just four lines of poorly stated opinion is all I see. Leontius Apr 2014 #54
You see what you want to, I guess. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #56
Clowns gotta do what they do and you seem good at it. Leontius Apr 2014 #140
Your inability to articulate an advanced thought beyond a childish insult is just sad. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #148
Oh please when you go into your childish little act, and you always do, don't try Leontius Apr 2014 #154
Lol. cleanhippie Apr 2014 #155
When your parents get home tell them the mean man called you a childish clown. Leontius Apr 2014 #157
Lol. Project much? cleanhippie Apr 2014 #160
Elohim is plural, often Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #40
Woops! Forgot another evasive technique by believers: quibbling over minor points Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #43
Oh bullshit, the post was plainly referring to the parents not God so any attempt at misdirection Leontius Apr 2014 #46
Second degree murderers then. EvilAL Apr 2014 #47
I'm confused, if they don't bring their faith into it, what is their defense? AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #59
Belief in faith-healing is no longer a defense in Oregon. I might guess they'll argue struggle4progress Apr 2014 #70
I agree. elleng Apr 2014 #129
I love how these people wear their religion on their sleeves ladywnch Apr 2014 #68
Some additional details from the press: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #69
What are you complaing about now, the legal strategy or their religious belief? rug Apr 2014 #75
Possibly a proper motion in some sense; but it seeks to deny probable motive, and history of accused Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #86
Motive and past criminal history have no place in any criminal trial, with rare, specific exceptions rug Apr 2014 #146
Here some legal sources seem to consider motive indirectly, in Murder cases: Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #164
The information about... 3catwoman3 Apr 2014 #78
There is nothing unique in the motion in question. okasha Apr 2014 #80
It's not clear to me that the granting of their motion helps them much. Belief in faith-healing struggle4progress Apr 2014 #81
So what's the insult count up to? Brettongarcia predicted 1,000 insults from believers like myself? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #82
A cautionary word forestalled them. But cumulatively, over time? : ) Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #84
Yes - there were a lot of cautionary words I noticed el_bryanto Apr 2014 #85
Particularly when they are killing children Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #87
Yep - I think all of the child killing believers who post at DU should watch their step. nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #89
Easy to do; when all that involves is going to the doctor a little too late Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #91
Yep - I don't have any kids to kill myself, thank goodness, but please DU Believers el_bryanto Apr 2014 #92
Or denying OTHER kids health care; vs. Obamacare say. Or denying foreign aid. Or .. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #93
Ah - So you are saying we DU Believers should support liberal policies? el_bryanto Apr 2014 #94
If you are not personally guilty, then how about talking to other Christians who might be? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #95
How do you know that I'm not? nt el_bryanto Apr 2014 #96
For those who are, then great. Our present discussion might help with talking points Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #100
Well yes, I agree that your talking points about how religion kills kid is very beneficial el_bryanto Apr 2014 #102
Many liberal believers agree that there are at least bad ASPECTS to SOME religion Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #103
Why are you pretending that you are ok with liberal / DU believers el_bryanto Apr 2014 #104
My reading of the Bible finds it ordering believers to embrace science, over faith & "religion" Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #145
Faith kills another child: this is an extremely important case, pointing to the key sin in religion Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #88
"And their false idea of God moreover" AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #116
You really got the wrong guy. Leontius Apr 2014 #141
It wasn't meant as a direct reference to that poster, just the concept of a 'false god'. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #142
But isn't your POV that all gods are essentially false? Leontius Apr 2014 #143
Just one more than any other monotheist. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #144
They think 'negligence' is a better defense??? elleng Apr 2014 #126
I'm sure every criminal would like evidence against them disallowed Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #130
Makes me think of the hundreds SevenSixtyTwo Apr 2014 #135
Indeed Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #136
Determination of guilt or innocence here will turn on whether the facts presented show struggle4progress Apr 2014 #159
What about intentional neglect? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #162
The couple’s attorneys argued that evidence of their religious beliefs were irrelevant.. nil desperandum Apr 2014 #134
The charges are first and second degree manslaughter struggle4progress Apr 2014 #152
The charge is manslaughter. But future prosecutors might consider Murder 2? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #163
The grand jury indicted for manslaughter. On Wednesday I posted a link to the indictment struggle4progress Apr 2014 #165
Manslaughter seems best, and easy to do. But I'm suggesting future cases consider Murder 2. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #166
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