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muriel_volestrangler

(101,153 posts)
159. No, it can't mean your second option
Fri Jul 25, 2014, 11:42 AM
Jul 2014

Perhaps the problem is that you're looking on 'offended' as only an adjective, rather than a participle.

Consider "you have no right to not be photographed". This could mean "you must be photographed" (there's no right to remain unphotographed, and it's inevitably going to happen to you); it could also mean "people are allowed to photograph you" (there's no right to remain unphotographed, and so perhaps someone will photograph you). But it can't mean "you have the right to be photographed".

I wouldn't start criticising the US educational system about this, if I were you. "You have no right to be offended" would make no sense at all, in context, so it's silly to suggest that as a meaning. The meaning was clear, from the context, and schools teach you to look for context.

Reality is tough to deal with and many have been "taught" since childhood that using religion as rhett o rick Jul 2014 #1
Fortunately, the trend has humanity moving away from that. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #2
Yep libodem Jul 2014 #3
There are also a growing number of people who affiliate with a faith... iandhr Jul 2014 #4
And that group is the one most turned-off by religious activism. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #5
"Clear think(ing)" and religion are not necessarily antithetical. I say this as a Secular Humanist. WinkyDink Jul 2014 #6
Let's say that we could agree on that Curmudgeoness Jul 2014 #7
No but it is often portrayed that way. zeemike Jul 2014 #27
While I tend to agree, when it comes to religious belief, thinking is anything but clear. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #32
Jimmy Carter comes to mind on that account Warpy Jul 2014 #58
actually we should get away from organized religion heaven05 Jul 2014 #8
"disorganized" religion seems just as prone to irrational horsehit as the traditional kind. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #11
no argument from me heaven05 Jul 2014 #18
Praying is so much easier than actually confronting problems rurallib Jul 2014 #9
No we should spend more time confusing children with obsolete bullshit. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #10
Correct. trotsky Jul 2014 #12
I didn't know that before I was instructed by A Person Who Knows Everything. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #16
Well, that may or not be true. trotsky Jul 2014 #17
I can't understand that. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #20
There is very little we can, Warren. trotsky Jul 2014 #22
Well, Arugula Latte Jul 2014 #36
If God knows everything in advance, why did he regret his Great Flood? blkmusclmachine Jul 2014 #13
He works in such mysterious ways, even HE can't figure himself out? closeupready Jul 2014 #26
Also, if god has a plan for everything and has determined everything that will happen, why pray? Arugula Latte Jul 2014 #38
Maybe he realized how much of a dick he was? EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2014 #144
Great article, thanks! NC_Nurse Jul 2014 #14
You're welcome. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #24
Awesome post. byronius Jul 2014 #15
Glad you liked it. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #34
There are many reasons politicians embrace and flaunt religion. obxhead Jul 2014 #19
The church... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2014 #120
As a Christian who follows everything that Jesus taught... LW1977 Jul 2014 #21
You just proved you DON'T follow everything Jesus taught. trotsky Jul 2014 #23
The poster here did not curse people here. zeemike Jul 2014 #31
"You're just as bad Pat Robertson, James Dobsen (sp) and Tony Perkins." trotsky Jul 2014 #40
I don't think in absolutes. zeemike Jul 2014 #46
Neither do I. trotsky Jul 2014 #47
Well I did not see it. zeemike Jul 2014 #50
Oh yes, the "truth" as you see it. trotsky Jul 2014 #51
I love you trotsky. I think you are adorable Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #93
Says the guy who compared gay marriage to marrying a bicycle. Lordquinton Jul 2014 #127
I love you too Lord Q. But I love my bicycle more. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #129
Today on Poe or not... Lordquinton Jul 2014 #141
No no no he gave a big long winded 'splaining about how equating Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #148
Few humans follow MOST of Jesus's teachings, let alone all of them randys1 Jul 2014 #117
I can think of no curse more vile than likening someone to Robertson Orrex Jul 2014 #42
What actual PEOPLE were insulted in this article? cleanhippie Jul 2014 #43
People who believe in God. zeemike Jul 2014 #44
Perhaps I missed it, but where in this article are believers called "idiots"? cleanhippie Jul 2014 #52
I feel like I have to keep repeating myself. zeemike Jul 2014 #75
Where in any response to this OP are believers called idiots? cleanhippie Jul 2014 #78
Let's see, 10, 12, 16, 17, 20, 22, 36. rug Jul 2014 #69
I love you CHippie, but sometimes I wonder... Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #146
somebody didn't get it. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #147
The wording is ambiguous as a lone sentence, though which meaning cleanhippie intends is clear muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #149
Clear as mud, methinks. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #158
No, it can't mean your second option muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #159
Interesting point Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #167
Point is, you took it out of context muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #168
No, I took nothing out of context Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #171
No, you claimed there was a problem with the double negative muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #173
or you have no right "to not be offended". Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #160
Pinch hitting while our hero naps are we Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #150
It most likely means "you have no right to not be offended". Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #153
OMDawkins! Do you also think that is what Stephen Fry is saying? Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #156
At some point it is best to just fade away. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #161
Good, because this is a good discussion. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #163
Fry *was* expressing an opinion on what people say about religious beliefs muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #162
Yes, I saw that and I agree with him. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #166
And how can anyone not cringe and sneer at you? mr blur Jul 2014 #164
You are completely wrong about one thing, mr blur Jul 2014 #54
Well that is completely wrong. zeemike Jul 2014 #72
Oh, do grow up. mr blur Jul 2014 #116
Ouch! Hammer hits nail very nicely. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #79
"I find this thread incredibly offending" - that's your problem. closeupready Jul 2014 #25
+1 cleanhippie Jul 2014 #29
! cleanhippie Jul 2014 #28
Ha! I was just going digging for a good graphic of that quote. n/t trotsky Jul 2014 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author zeemike Jul 2014 #35
Welcome. zeemike Jul 2014 #33
Do you really see this article as "insulting people of faith"? cleanhippie Jul 2014 #37
I was not talking about the article I was talking about the thread. zeemike Jul 2014 #49
So yours is just a response in general, not to anything particular found here in THIS thread? cleanhippie Jul 2014 #53
No my response was to a post complain about the ridicule. zeemike Jul 2014 #73
What ridicule are you talking about? cleanhippie Jul 2014 #77
See post 77...it has a list zeemike Jul 2014 #80
Uhm, thats my last reply to you. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #87
That's what happens when it's thought healthy for children to be unable to tell fantasy from reality muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #128
! cleanhippie Jul 2014 #143
Well,the important thing is that ... muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #45
You're not sitting there having your belief ridiculed by people calling you "weak-minded" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #48
Well, so what? mr blur Jul 2014 #55
If you're offended for bad reasons, it's probably because you're wrong. MellowDem Jul 2014 #133
Here's a quote from a guy who has deeply offended several hundred million religious people. trotsky Jul 2014 #154
I agree. Now tell that to those who have read the bible and find it offensive. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #172
So you agree with "nobody has the right to not be offended" muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #174
Okay, nobody has the right not to be perfect, including me and Rushdie Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #175
Just to let you know Muriel Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #176
Everything that Jesus taught? Mariana Jul 2014 #169
It is fantasy to believe mythology and fiction are real. phil89 Jul 2014 #201
A lot of you believers in the supernatural have little context for how it feels to be the Arugula Latte Jul 2014 #205
Left out is over-population! This attack on birth control Dustlawyer Jul 2014 #39
You make valid and important points. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #41
Another steaming pile of crap posted by the troika. Leontius Jul 2014 #56
Glad you liked it. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #59
Troika? PassingFair Jul 2014 #177
Just so people know we believers can use reason as well. Don't care for this article much. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #57
on everything but your faith edhopper Jul 2014 #60
We are still capable of using reason. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #62
almost everyone is capable. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #66
Yes you are edhopper Jul 2014 #107
My point is faith based decisions use reason as well as prayer. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #112
nah, they figure out what the reasonable position is and then go pray and magically god agrees. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #157
What faith-based approach would solve the myriad real-world problems outlined in the article? cleanhippie Jul 2014 #61
The World council of Churches is divesting in fossil fuel investments. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #63
How is that faith based? cleanhippie Jul 2014 #64
My point is we are not a bunch of idiotsthat we can't use reason. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #65
No one has said that. But when it comes to your faith, you don't use reason. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #67
I never said God told me or the council. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #68
You just stated before that divesting in fossil fuels was a faith-based decision. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #76
What exactly do you think a faith based approach is? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #81
An approach based on faith, not reason. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #82
lol ok. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #83
Lol? cleanhippie Jul 2014 #84
We have a dofferent view of faith based. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #86
Well, thats the problem with "faith", it has no objectivity. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #90
Faith based decisions are based on prayer, accessing a situation, the greater good, and reasoning. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #92
No, faith is not based on reason. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #95
as I said we disagree. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #97
That much is obvious. What is not so obvious is why you disagree. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #99
I gave you what I believe is a faithbased decision is. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #100
"...what I believe is a faithbased decision is" cleanhippie Jul 2014 #103
Says you. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #104
Says reason. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #108
lol. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #109
"Based on prayer....and reasoning"? So which cancels the other out? Can't have both. mr blur Jul 2014 #113
Says you.It works well for me and other believers. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #114
here is what I think justin is saying. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #142
Justin is saying nothing, as usual. mr blur Jul 2014 #155
I am sorry I don't have your way with words sir! hrmjustin Jul 2014 #170
Like taking aspirin and praying for a headache to go away phil89 Jul 2014 #202
He actually caught his own tail. rug Jul 2014 #85
We know, we also know you don't use it for faith, that's the problem. MellowDem Jul 2014 #131
says you. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #140
And you, and the definition of faith MellowDem Jul 2014 #152
I see "feel good" religion has its counterpart in "feel good" atheism. rug Jul 2014 #70
The author is very insulting. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #71
I don't mind that. It's his shallowness. rug Jul 2014 #74
You call it shallow I call it a pile of crap. Leontius Jul 2014 #126
Let's compromise. rug Jul 2014 #130
In what way is he insulting? cleanhippie Jul 2014 #88
Here. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #89
Are you saying that he is wrong or that you just find it personally insulting? cleanhippie Jul 2014 #91
He is wrong and insulting. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #94
In what way is he wrong? cleanhippie Jul 2014 #96
Prayer works imo. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #98
Prove it. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #101
Lol you know I can't. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #102
And that's why we shouldn't rely on faith-based" anything. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #105
You don't have to. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #106
Ahh, but thats not true. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #110
The point of the article is that he eventually wants religion to go away and he likes the trends now hrmjustin Jul 2014 #111
The point was the REASONING behind that view. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #118
says you. Thus we disagree. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #119
We can agree on reality, right? cleanhippie Jul 2014 #121
That things are becoming secular? I am all for the government being secular. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #122
Me either. And the faster it happens, the better for us all. cleanhippie Jul 2014 #123
ok. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #124
Great cleanhippie Jul 2014 #125
Do witch's "spells" work too? PassingFair Jul 2014 #178
Ask a witch. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #179
So you actually believe that you have supernatural powers, through prayer? PassingFair Jul 2014 #180
I never claimed supernatural powers. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #181
You say your "prayer" works. PassingFair Jul 2014 #182
Prayer works when we ask for inner strenght. I don't believe that God decides the ways of this world hrmjustin Jul 2014 #183
Let me get this straight. PassingFair Jul 2014 #184
I do not limit the power of God. Be cause I believe something it does not make it so and the hrmjustin Jul 2014 #185
I'm not asking about the "power of God"...I'm asking about YOUR intercessory power, vis a vis God. PassingFair Jul 2014 #186
Sure I do. God helps me to find it and gives me strength. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #187
Did you lose it, or was it never there? PassingFair Jul 2014 #188
I do put in plug ins but it is to ask for strength for them. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #189
So you DO believe that you have intercessory powers. PassingFair Jul 2014 #190
No I do not. I sais I put in a plug in but I feel that God does not decide the ways of this world. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #191
Okay, now I'm confused again. PassingFair Jul 2014 #192
No I don't think it is supernatural. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #193
OK PassingFair Jul 2014 #194
fair enough. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #195
It's not a difference of ideas. It's an unwillingness to adhere to or agree on the definition cleanhippie Jul 2014 #196
Unless it's the definition of the word "atheist".... PassingFair Jul 2014 #197
I never took a stance on the word atheist. I let atheists define it. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #198
Sorry....guilty of "lumping you in". PassingFair Jul 2014 #199
No problem. it was a big war that I felt I did not know enough to take a side. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #200
Yep! That is where he lost me too. Otherwise, I was fine with it. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #145
It is what it is here. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #165
You don't think that's true? phil89 Jul 2014 #203
We disagree. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #204
Oh good, the comedy's arrived. mr blur Jul 2014 #115
Great! Let's see a pratfall. rug Jul 2014 #132
Your opinion has no reasoning to back it up... MellowDem Jul 2014 #134
Obsevation requires only observation. rug Jul 2014 #135
And good discussion requires reasoning MellowDem Jul 2014 #136
Point me to one. rug Jul 2014 #137
Why? If you wanted one you'd engage in it. MellowDem Jul 2014 #138
Actually, I'm engaging in several even as we speak. rug Jul 2014 #139
It was your choice, still is MellowDem Jul 2014 #151
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