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hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
101. If they are trying to convert yes there is a burden.
Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:15 PM
Jul 2014

If they are trying to use the legal system or the goverment to enact change yes there is a burden.

The burden of proof is on believers [View all] Lordquinton Jul 2014 OP
I have no burden here. I am not trying to convince you to believe. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #1
I think the point is Goblinmonger Jul 2014 #6
Thanks for your input. This was an excellent OP and discussion.Till it got involved in personalities Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #176
Then we need people like you to keep in mind who we are talking about if we happen to AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #74
People like me? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #76
Yes, because we are talking about people who are not you. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #77
What are people like me supposed to mean? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #78
A political minority of progressives who are also religious. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #79
And the op was not addressing people like me? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #80
Are you engaged in tone policing or any of the deflection activities I mentioned? AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #82
Then who did the op mean? Only rw believers? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #83
Is "tone policing" the current meme? cbayer Jul 2014 #166
Back story: as I recall, it was ms. cbayer herself that began objecting to atheists' "tone" Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #170
Exactly. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #183
And I will also ask you to back that up. cbayer Jul 2014 #199
I don't believe that is accurate, so please don't repeat it without evidence. cbayer Jul 2014 #187
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #193
Wait, you are again accusing me of supporting genocide cbayer Jul 2014 #198
By supporting some things uncritically, you end up inadvertantly endorsing the bad things in them Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #203
So you are somehow making a link between African Americans and genocide in Africa. cbayer Jul 2014 #206
Correction: African Religions. Which have been guilty of bad things it seems. Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #211
I think you were over the top and should eithdraw your accusations. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #216
That's a real stretch, Brettongarcia. pinto Jul 2014 #208
Wow, just wow! Somethings continue to surprise me here. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #205
I'm rarely surprised anymore, but this one really takes the cake. cbayer Jul 2014 #213
He should wirhdraw it. His allegations are disgustiing and over the top. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #214
It makes not a bit of difference to me whether he withdraws it or not. cbayer Jul 2014 #218
I have come to expect it from him. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #220
I see a jury agreed and I hope someone posts the results. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #226
Then you should be more accurate and precise when you "slag believers". rug Jul 2014 #84
Yet, whenever we point out the god those Tea-RW types are worshipping isn't real its #NotAllReligion AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #85
I get your point but - dareisay - it's an overstatement. rug Jul 2014 #86
Who is we? I really like to know who I am dealing with when I respond to an cbayer Jul 2014 #167
Was I talking to you? AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #184
Does it matter? You are talking on an open board and anyone can respond to anything. cbayer Jul 2014 #192
I was responding directly to Rug's post. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #200
I never thought it was tailored to me, I just wanted to know who you were speaking for. cbayer Jul 2014 #207
thank you for your input Lordquinton Jul 2014 #89
I never said it wasn't. And I am allowed to respond. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #90
I never said you weren't Lordquinton Jul 2014 #97
I mean I have no burdens to prove anything about my faith here. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #99
ok, but what about other believers who try to push their views? Lordquinton Jul 2014 #100
If they are trying to convert yes there is a burden. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #101
ok, so you agree with the post Lordquinton Jul 2014 #103
I think I misjudged what you were saying. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #104
Who is trying to prove anything? cbayer Jul 2014 #2
Maybe it was a generalization for crap like this Phlem Jul 2014 #5
Ok, let's make our point against Jody Hice then cbayer Jul 2014 #24
Really? Phlem Jul 2014 #73
Agree, this is not a christian nation. cbayer Jul 2014 #159
The real problem is why religion is powerful enough to be used as a weapon, cbayer. trotsky Jul 2014 #180
No, the real problem is why capitalist classes concentrate the power in the first place. rug Jul 2014 #195
How does the "power" use religions to divide and maintain power? n/t Fix The Stupid Jul 2014 #223
Currently, it is used in the U.S. to attempt to control women. rug Jul 2014 #227
I agree somewhat. Fix The Stupid Jul 2014 #229
Sure. rug Jul 2014 #249
Didn't you just post in a thread edhopper Jul 2014 #8
That was in a different thread so it doesn't count. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #10
I posted in that thread but did not endorse that idea. cbayer Jul 2014 #23
No you weren't edhopper Jul 2014 #25
Did not see that as obvious. cbayer Jul 2014 #26
Okay edhopper Jul 2014 #53
You are correct, I was not endorsing one model over the other. Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #117
Well, it either confused people or they saw only what they wanted to see. cbayer Jul 2014 #164
I'll be extra careful next time. Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #165
I think it's great that you write original posts. cbayer Jul 2014 #168
I wasn't criticizing at all, sorry for creating that impression. Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #169
The reason why this is such an important concept, cbayer, as many people keep trying to point out... trotsky Jul 2014 #29
thank you for your input Lordquinton Jul 2014 #91
Yes, there are those here who believe in god. cbayer Jul 2014 #162
I think that you put your finger here on exactly who needs incurrs the burden of proof. stone space Aug 2014 #308
The burden of proof argument is just a deflection. cbayer Aug 2014 #323
You are correct Lordquinton Aug 2014 #325
There is no there there? Are you sure? cbayer Aug 2014 #326
The comment is about not knowing why this thread is posted here Lordquinton Aug 2014 #312
I honestly did not recognize that his was in response to that particular thread. cbayer Aug 2014 #324
I claim the opposite. stone space Aug 2014 #307
Well said. Every claim of fact needs evidence. No religious exemption. Where is the meat? Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #3
Agree, that is if the claim of fact is made. cbayer Jul 2014 #27
Error, AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #75
Error, cbayer Jul 2014 #160
"Certain persons...made shipwreck of...faith" (1 Tim 1.19); "test everything" (1 Thess. 5.21). Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #163
I realize that. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #182
I agree that it is meaningless to anyone who doesn't share that belief. cbayer Jul 2014 #190
I do. Criteria about how believers make it an issue has been offered in this thread. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #201
Can you point me to those criteria. cbayer Jul 2014 #212
Here's one. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #219
Most who make "faith" claims turn, and claim holy certainty.Then the Bible sees problems with Faith Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #191
thanks. Lordquinton Jul 2014 #92
I think if you were strong in your belief or understanding upaloopa Jul 2014 #4
The mistake is you're labeling atheism a belief. jeff47 Jul 2014 #11
Well change the word to what? upaloopa Jul 2014 #13
Because there would now be proof. jeff47 Jul 2014 #16
My only problem with your analogy edhopper Jul 2014 #14
Hence the quotes around "believe". (nt) jeff47 Jul 2014 #15
Okay edhopper Jul 2014 #18
But did anyone claim to be an ablackmatterist? cbayer Jul 2014 #28
Yes. Everyone did. jeff47 Jul 2014 #31
They may have been that, but no one claimed it and made a cause out of it. cbayer Jul 2014 #37
Which now leads us to divide-and-conquer jeff47 Jul 2014 #39
I do not want to divide and conquer. cbayer Jul 2014 #42
Unite under your way of thinking. jeff47 Jul 2014 #43
I dont' wish to eliminate those that oppose me, I want to eliminate those cbayer Jul 2014 #45
Adding additional clauses doesn't change the meaning. jeff47 Jul 2014 #51
I'm not a believer. So look and see where your assumptions led you. cbayer Jul 2014 #158
Ah it is such a triumph every time you play that card! Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #237
Are you saying she believes in God here? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #244
I said exactly what I meant. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #250
She would disagree with you. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #251
She would not be honest in doing so. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #259
Calling her a liar? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #263
What is your point Justin? Alert trolling? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #264
I think this is an ugly and dispicable tactic on your part. Alert yourself. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #265
What? Noting that cbayer springs her clever trap on a regular basis? Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #266
Funny how this tactic is employed by some here. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #267
That would be cbayer's spouse, the alleged atheist who hates all the other atheists here. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #269
I don't think your in a postion to judge others. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #270
of course I am. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #275
I think this point your tactics speak for themselves and it does not reflect well on you. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #276
I thought you weren't judging others. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #277
Warren this conversation is at an end. keep going if you like but I am done. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #278
Not it. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #280
have any proof to back that statement up? Lordquinton Aug 2014 #295
Read what I wrote. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #296
So you don't Lordquinton Aug 2014 #297
I don't have a star so I can nit do advanced search. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #299
No, you're being judgmental. rug Aug 2014 #279
FFS, cbayer!!! trotsky Jul 2014 #48
Some people here have made clear they want religion to disappear. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #49
There is a big difference between wanting religion edhopper Jul 2014 #54
I don't think she meant a purge physically. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #55
So what do you think people mean when you say: edhopper Jul 2014 #56
I don't think you guys want us in a bucket. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #58
It still connotes edhopper Jul 2014 #60
Ok. I doubt it was meant that way. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #61
Over here! Me! Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #238
Yes Warren. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #239
You have my permission to call me out by name when referring to people Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #241
Thank you. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #242
Because of Hobby lobby's beliefs edhopper Jul 2014 #12
Don't you ever want to take stock in your beliefs edhopper Jul 2014 #17
Another way of saying that... gcomeau Jul 2014 #34
thank you for your input Lordquinton Jul 2014 #93
I hate to break this to you, okasha Jul 2014 #7
And yet - you demand that we respect what you believe. mr blur Jul 2014 #19
What is it you think okasha believes? cbayer Jul 2014 #30
did you read Okasha's post Cbayer? Lordquinton Jul 2014 #87
Is there some particular reason why anyone but you okasha Jul 2014 #95
thanks for caring so much. Lordquinton Jul 2014 #98
Of course I read it. cbayer Jul 2014 #161
I judged you by your own actions Lordquinton Jul 2014 #179
Bout of rank hypocrisy? cbayer Jul 2014 #189
It's when you attack the way someone says something Lordquinton Aug 2014 #298
Sometimes the way someone says something should be challenged, cbayer Aug 2014 #322
Actually, I demand that you stay out of what I believe okasha Jul 2014 #59
could you link that post about your beliefs edhopper Jul 2014 #62
My allegedly smart phone can't handle links. okasha Jul 2014 #66
I'll look edhopper Jul 2014 #67
Interfaith "Religious privilege" thread? Lordquinton Aug 2014 #300
No if you look in interfaith there is a thread istarted called religious privilege. hrmjustin Aug 2014 #301
You're serious? Lordquinton Aug 2014 #313
Because you say so? Because you can't control the debate? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #330
Wrong again. okasha Aug 2014 #304
Here's a hint:You can't have a discussion about religious privilege in INTERFAITH Lordquinton Aug 2014 #314
Interfaith excludes no one but trolls and disruptors. okasha Aug 2014 #331
Yo do know atheists posts in interfaith, right? hrmjustin Aug 2014 #332
Demand away (it suits you), It would be my pleasure. mr blur Jul 2014 #69
But I don't flaunt my beliefs in public. okasha Jul 2014 #70
I know you and your partner love to read jury decisions, so here's yours. No need for thanks. mr blur Jul 2014 #230
Not my alert. okasha Jul 2014 #232
Not mine either. i wonder who your partner is. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #233
Me, too. okasha Jul 2014 #235
Think "comedy double act". You three should know - mr blur Aug 2014 #290
If there's three of us, okasha Aug 2014 #305
Ah there it is again: "I think it's past your bedtime". Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #258
Well, well. Looky here. okasha Aug 2014 #310
Wow. JNelson6563 Jul 2014 #40
but you do care Okasha, this post shows you care so much Lordquinton Jul 2014 #88
Uhmmm, no. okasha Jul 2014 #96
this thread has over 100 replies, obviously your belief holds no merit Lordquinton Jul 2014 #102
If my "belief has no merit" okasha Jul 2014 #255
When has "rug" skepticscott Aug 2014 #283
Multum in parvo. okasha Aug 2014 #309
I think the minute believers edhopper Jul 2014 #9
I think the more pertinent issue is separation of the church and state. pinto Jul 2014 #44
this is one of the important reasons I'm posting about this Lordquinton Jul 2014 #94
the proof BabbaTam Jul 2014 #20
And what do you say about people like edhopper Jul 2014 #21
Burden of proof is a legal and a philosophical term. rug Jul 2014 #22
The tone police will be visiting you shortly because you put up and didn't shut up. cbayer Jul 2014 #32
They'd better have a warrant. rug Jul 2014 #36
And a straight jacket. cbayer Jul 2014 #41
I'll start letting people know "Blues" does not exist. (nt) jeff47 Jul 2014 #33
Charlie Parker is God. rug Jul 2014 #35
No, no, no--Eric Clapton is God. nt truebluegreen Jul 2014 #63
How dare you use logic like that you irrational and deluded believer! hrmjustin Jul 2014 #38
There's a series of books online that says the Bible values science & evidence, over faith. Citing: Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #173
This "Dr. Woodbridge Goodman, Ph.D." (sic) ? rug Jul 2014 #188
Yes, Dr. Woodbridge Goodman PhD. His books also appear in the Library of Congress. Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #209
Frankly, with his "Heaven-Shattering Second View", he sounds like a crackpot. rug Jul 2014 #228
Looks like BG okasha Jul 2014 #236
I was too polite to say. rug Jul 2014 #247
The sheer incoherence is a giveaway. okasha Jul 2014 #253
! rug Jul 2014 #254
My pleasure. okasha Jul 2014 #256
Faith is belief without the need for proof. Maedhros Jul 2014 #46
This is a great response. cbayer Jul 2014 #47
Religion serves as a code of ethics and moral guidance for individuals. Maedhros Jul 2014 #50
I deplore how the Separation clause of the US Constitution has been distorted. (nt) pinto Jul 2014 #52
I think Hobby Lobby edhopper Jul 2014 #57
It was Citizens United that broke it okasha Jul 2014 #64
Citizens United was awful edhopper Jul 2014 #65
CU bestowed "personhood" on corporations, okasha Jul 2014 #68
No question edhopper Jul 2014 #71
I agree. okasha Jul 2014 #72
Long term edhopper Jul 2014 #81
Sorry, not even close skepticscott Aug 2014 #285
Sorry, but it wasn't skepticscott Aug 2014 #284
Their moral code is frequently immoral. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #178
“A farmer went out to sow his seed. Maedhros Jul 2014 #197
Your conditiion is manifestly not met. So it is fair to demand proof. Warren Stupidity Jul 2014 #177
Demanding proof to what end? Maedhros Jul 2014 #194
14 of the current R/T ops about atheists/atheism were posted by non-atheists beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #105
Is that percentage higher or lower than those posted about religion by atheists? rug Jul 2014 #106
And look who immediately leaps up to take the bait. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #107
He has a point though. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #108
If you think that you've missed the point. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #110
yes I do care what atheists think. I think I have made that clear. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #111
Others don't. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #113
yes there are atheists who have tried to define me here. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #114
They tried to redefine your christianity? beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #116
One member here tried to tell me I was not really a Christian because I don't believe the rule book hrmjustin Jul 2014 #119
So one atheist tried to do it to you one time. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #122
Not just once. people here have tried to define me many times. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #123
Did they say you weren't really a christian? beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #125
No he was trying to say Christianity is following the rile book and my faith is a theist faith. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #127
One time. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #130
I said it happened with others as well. I am not recounting every story because it woukd take too hrmjustin Jul 2014 #133
Are your beliefs repeatedly questioned in this forum? beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #144
Yes they are. I accept that as a part of this forum. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #146
I'm not talking about why you believe but what you believe. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #148
Thanks my friend. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #149
Questioning belief is good, telling you what you believe not so much. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #151
Yes it is always good to question our views and to have them challenged. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #153
Let me see, is Gomer considered stupid or a liar? rug Jul 2014 #128
I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #132
no but it is insulting. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #134
Yes it is. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #138
Thats ok I made peace with the poster. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #139
I'm glad. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #141
Thank you. I appreciate your kind words. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #142
But it's pretty damned close to calling someone stupid. rug Jul 2014 #136
Ah, I see you have no answer. rug Jul 2014 #109
10 of the current ops are yours. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #112
At least. And you still haven't answered the question. rug Jul 2014 #115
Actually I have to feed the dogs and horses right now. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #118
Do you object? Do you have a monopoly on the topic? rug Jul 2014 #120
Name one atheist who posts threads at the same rate as you. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #124
That's not the question. rug Jul 2014 #126
Which individual atheist posts about religion as obsessively as you do about atheism? beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #129
You really shouldn't say "individual atheist" and "we" in the same post. It makes one wonder. rug Jul 2014 #131
Name the atheist who has as many threads about religion as you do about atheism. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #135
State the percentage of religion posts by atheists. rug Jul 2014 #137
You can't name an atheist who posts as obsessively as you do. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #140
You'd better check the jurors' faces before you rest on that. rug Jul 2014 #143
No jury needed, the numbers speak for themselves. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #145
What numbers? You haven't provided any. rug Jul 2014 #147
You have 10 ops about atheism/atheists on the first page. beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #150
Why are you striving so hard to not answer the question? rug Jul 2014 #152
A post by a non-atheist claimed that they don't give a damn what we believe beam me up scottie Jul 2014 #155
Regardless of why you posted, you still did not answer the question. rug Jul 2014 #156
That "you" is addressed to Lordquinton, okasha Jul 2014 #243
Religion affects all our lives. trotsky Jul 2014 #181
Sorry to hear you're puzzled. rug Jul 2014 #196
Depends on who is doing the arguing, doesn't it? Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #121
This message was self-deleted by its author Phlem Jul 2014 #154
thank you for your reply Lordquinton Jul 2014 #171
In your opinion, is writing or publishing books attacking theism or defending atheism Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #172
here's the atheists "burden" answered for you. Lordquinton Jul 2014 #174
Asking what counts as evidence is not a strawman. Htom Sirveaux Jul 2014 #186
Let's go back further than, say, last tuesday Lordquinton Aug 2014 #272
What does "the floaty way the term is used now" mean? Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #273
Given that you just avoided a direct question Lordquinton Aug 2014 #294
No, thank you! Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #311
You're correct, but I try anyways Lordquinton Aug 2014 #316
I'm not shy about discussing reasons to believe that God exists. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #318
You don't understand your own question? Lordquinton Aug 2014 #319
I see, so your contention is that "caused by God" doesn't have a real meaning. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #321
You have several logic holes Lordquinton Aug 2014 #328
First, I didn't presuppose a creator, I made an argument for a creator. Htom Sirveaux Aug 2014 #333
There is no evidence that there is intelligent life anywhere in the universe. cbayer Jul 2014 #202
Intelligent life on other planets phil89 Jul 2014 #210
And a god is at odds with the laws of physics or reality? cbayer Jul 2014 #217
You don't think gods are supposed to be supernatural phil89 Aug 2014 #271
Well there you go, just reduce the definition of "god" to something that doesn't Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #281
You just committed the same blunder again. Warren Stupidity Aug 2014 #282
There is intelligent life in the universe Lordquinton Aug 2014 #287
You don't know if there is intelligent life in the universe other than on this planet cbayer Aug 2014 #291
Ok, step by step logic here Lordquinton Aug 2014 #292
The discussion is about intelligent life in the universe other than on this planet. cbayer Aug 2014 #320
No, it is not. Those believers do not care what the non-believers think of them. MADem Jul 2014 #157
thank you for your input Lordquinton Jul 2014 #175
Neither side cares--that's my point. They both think the other is WRONG. MADem Jul 2014 #231
No, you are mis-characterizing the situation Lordquinton Aug 2014 #317
No, I'm not. Just because you insist that people "have to prove it" doesn't mean that they MADem Aug 2014 #336
Except we live in a society subject to laws based on unsubstantiated claims phil89 Aug 2014 #302
Of course it is. Iggo Jul 2014 #185
I don't think you understand the concept of 'belief'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2014 #204
See Post 73: technically, "faith" claims assert no certainty, and no proof. But in actuality? Brettongarcia Jul 2014 #221
Maybe, if there were a burden of proof, which there isn't. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #215
They do, if it's a basis for legislative advocacy/lobbying. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #222
I don't see how that obliges anyone to prove anything regarding their personal beliefs. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #224
If the Roman Catholic Church had its way, I would not have been allowed to create 9 AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #225
What does that have to do with personal beliefs? Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #234
Their followers lobby, donate, and vote for laws to constrict my activities according to their faith AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #240
That is your right. Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #245
"It's a personal decision." AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #246
If that's what they are doing. I don't see anyone here doing that. Do you? Starboard Tack Jul 2014 #248
I don't see anyone here doing it. But I do see people here deflecting and defending when I point it AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #252
What "moral lobbying"? What "authority"? Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #257
I have fucking explained this to you too many times to count. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #260
Their "source" is faith. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #261
We finally passed I-1000 over their objections. AtheistCrusader Aug 2014 #262
Glad you won. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #268
thank you for your input Lordquinton Aug 2014 #274
I'm sorry, but I tried reading that 3 times and ended with a headache. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #286
I'd suggest glasses, or grammar school to learn what punctuation is (because there was plenty there) Lordquinton Aug 2014 #288
Sorry. I'm wearing glasses and the punctuation isn't helping. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #289
So I'm assuming you have absolutely no counter to anything I've said Lordquinton Aug 2014 #293
OK. Good morning! Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #327
You contradict yourself here. okasha Aug 2014 #334
It's a rejection of the claim a god or gods exist. phil89 Aug 2014 #303
It is a rejection of the belief that a god exists. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #329
The burdern of proof lies with anybody who wishes to convince others of his or her beliefs. stone space Aug 2014 #306
thank you for your input Lordquinton Aug 2014 #315
Thank you for your input. stone space Aug 2014 #335
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